The questions are directed towards members that take a separate screen shelter in addition to the tent or hammock that you sleep in.

What is your current favorite screen shelter?

Do you consider a separate screen shelter an essential item?

Is it needed? It depends on when you trip. I would use one late May through mid to late July.
Favorite one? Depends on trip style. If you move often and have only one or two people in the group a small lightweight one such as a Bugout works fine. If you have a larger group or basecamp a CCS Bug Shelter may be a better option. It depends on how many people you want to fit in it, how much weight you are willing to carry, and how much time you are willing to spend setting it up. Personally I've always dreamed of owning the CCS Bug Shelter.

Last July, first time ever, the Eureka NoBugZone CT11. We were base camping. It was a lifesaver, as the insects were abundant. I'd bring it again in a minute base camping during bug season. Large enough for two people to be very comfy. However, you'll have to search for them, due to Eureka discontinuing production. It also did well with rain. I'd recommend two telescoping poles to aid in set up.

We took a Eureka NoBugZone CT13 last July. We used it and it was nice to have, but we wouldn't have really needed it and I wasn't convinced it was worth the weight and bulk compared to a regular tarp.

Our campsite was fairly breezy which helped, and using Picaridin and Permethrin instead of greasy smelly Deet was effective and much more pleasant. Also had a Thermcell but not sure it did much.

Being the one who carried the most weight perhaps makes me a bit biased.

chessie: "Last July, first time ever, the Eureka NoBugZone CT11. We were base camping. It was a lifesaver, as the insects were abundant. I'd bring it again in a minute base camping during bug season. Large enough for two people to be very comfy. However, you'll have to search for them, due to Eureka discontinuing production. It also did well with rain. I'd recommend two telescoping poles to aid in set up. "

Fleet Farm currently has the Eureka NoBugZone CT11 on sale for $90.00. You need to add the item to your cart to see the sale price. Not a bad deal if you are considering one of these.

55gjayb: "Fleet Farm currently has the Eureka NoBugZone CT11 on sale for $90.00. You need to add the item to your cart to see the sale price. Not a bad deal if you are considering one of these."

Combined tarp and screen configurations are popular, I have used them. At only 2.3 lbs. I would consider this screen tarp.

I took this tent and Nemo Bugout on a solo trip:

plmn: "We took a Eureka NoBugZone CT13 last July. We used it and it was nice to have, but we wouldn't have really needed it and I wasn't convinced it was worth the weight and bulk compared to a regular tarp. "

I have required wind and rain protection more often than insect protection and for that reason I have considered tarp and screen configurations that can be separated such as this, allowing me to combine or separate the tarp and screen as conditions require.

I've had a 15x13 Coleman Screenhouse for a few years now. The type with the angled sides. It sets up and takes down very quickly, less than a minute if you've done it a few times. I run mine with a separate tarp over it, as there are about 2 square feet inside that stay dry without a second tarp. I've set it up about a dozen times and it has held up better than I expected, with 0 damage so far. I bought it without ever intending to carry it in a canoe but now it has been taken to the BWCA twice, with larger groups basecamping on Horseshoe and Disappointment. And it was fantastic to have! It seated 6 adults and 1 child comfortably, even with the table and double burner stove set up in there as well. We could fish late and cook dinner in the shelter after dusk without insect repercussions.

That being said, it weighs over 20# without an additional tarp. It shouldn't even be talked about here! Maybe it would do well for an ambitious, larger group that places a higher value on time setting up camp than portage weight.

chessie: "Last July, first time ever, the Eureka NoBugZone CT11. We were base camping. It was a lifesaver, as the insects were abundant. I'd bring it again in a minute base camping during bug season. Large enough for two people to be very comfy. However, you'll have to search for them, due to Eureka discontinuing production. It also did well with rain. I'd recommend two telescoping poles to aid in set up. "

I agree with most of your comment; however, the poles are not necessary in my view. Yes, they would be helpful but it's just an extra piece if equipment one can live without as well as an obstruction to entering and exiting the shelter. If you have a good ridge line system worked out, your shelter will be solid.

My trips are in late July to early August. I would not trip without it. Some years are less pestilent than others. But you don't know that until you're in the bush.

I only have experience with the NoBugZone and can report that it rocks. I like the ground flaps and the tarp has not leaked so far. Zippers operate flawlessly after four years.

I am still very pleased with my home made shelter that attaches to the bottom of my regular tarp. I like having it be separate rather than a single piece as it gives me more options while traveling. I regularly find that the bug shelter is critical in one camp site, but not the next. The photo below was at a site on the Isabella river, and with no wind and swamp everywhere around it, the mosquitos were at least as bad as I had ever seen up there. At a more open, breezy site with mature pines the next day it was not needed.

The price of having two pieces is a bit extra weight for the top of the screen, but with material that's 0.67 oz per square yard, I can manage. All packed it's I think 1 lb 13 oz now. I have toyed with the idea of making an even smaller one out of 0.5 oz material which would get closer to 1 lb, but not yet.

I always set my tarp up as a ridgeline, which can be done very fast if needed. My bug shelter then has three color coded mini-carabiners which match three colored loops under my tarp, then the sides just tie out to the end of the tarp. Once my tarp is up, setting up the bug shelter is maybe 90 seconds to achieve bug relief.

I originally made it the almost the same size as my 10x12 tarp, but cut it down as I just did not need that much room. It's now about 7.7 x 8.5 feet, and thats more than enough room for me, gear, and my dog.

From late May through July, I consider this essential gear. I never again want to try to shovel a spoon full of rehydrated whatever under my head net, and I may be a softy but can not stand watching my dog getting chewed on. Having a bug net has many times for me changed potential misery into tranquility - that's why I consider it essential.

Z4K: "I've had a 15x13 Coleman Screenhouse for a few years now. The type with the angled sides. It sets up and takes down very quickly, less than a minute if you've done it a few times. I run mine with a separate tarp over it, as there are about 2 square feet inside that stay dry without a second tarp. I've set it up about a dozen times and it has held up better than I expected, with 0 damage so far. I bought it without ever intending to carry it in a canoe but now it has been taken to the BWCA twice, with larger groups basecamping on Horseshoe and Disappointment. And it was fantastic to have! It seated 6 adults and 1 child comfortably, even with the table and double burner stove set up in there as well. We could fish late and cook dinner in the shelter after dusk without insect repercussions.


That being said, it weighs over 20# without an additional tarp. It shouldn't even be talked about here! Maybe it would do well for an ambitious, larger group that places a higher value on time setting up camp than portage weight."

I have used freestanding screen shelters. I have a 9x9 ft. that weighs 4.8 lbs. and a 7x7 ft. that weighs 3.5 lbs. I like the convenient setup and properly staked down and guyed out they handle wind as well as a similar size tent. Both require a storm panel for adequate rain protection.

I also have a 7x7 ft. freestanding shelter weighing 5.8 lbs. that has rain flaps on 3 sides. It provides wind, rain and insect protection without an additional tarp.

Cheap and easy option we've used is a 10x10 bug screen for use over a bed for $21 off amazon. It has loop tabs I suspend under my 10x10 CCS tarp.

The Eureka no-bug Zone greatly improved comfort last June in the Quetico, especially since a fire ban was on place.

Martian, do you have a link, I'd like to make something for my lean.

We used the smaller Eureka last summer in Q and loved it. It is worth noting that we basecamping. I can see it being a pain if we had to tear it down and set it up everyday. We have actually discussed buying a bigger version and sleeping in it on nights when we were certain there would be no rain.

55gjayb: "

chessie: "Last July, first time ever, the Eureka NoBugZone CT11. We were base camping. It was a lifesaver, as the insects were abundant. I'd bring it again in a minute base camping during bug season. Large enough for two people to be very comfy. However, you'll have to search for them, due to Eureka discontinuing production. It also did well with rain. I'd recommend two telescoping poles to aid in set up. "

Fleet Farm currently has the Eureka NoBugZone CT11 on sale for $90.00. You need to add the item to your cart to see the sale price. Not a bad deal if you are considering one of these."

Thank you! If I lived closer to a FF store, I sure would have done this. I ended up paying more, but still not full price due to a sale at MooseJaw.

martian: "Cheap and easy option we've used is a 10x10 bug screen for use over a bed for $21 off amazon. It has loop tabs I suspend under my 10x10 CCS tarp. "

+1

campnfish: "Martian, do you have a link, I'd like to make something for my lean."

bed net

YetiJedi: "

campnfish: "Martian, do you have a link, I'd like to make something for my lean."

bed net "

this is the one I actually use. A bit bulky but not too bad. Has held up okay. Used it three times so far when going with little kids during June.

Another mosquito netting option. It is not noseeum proof but has worked satisfactory for me.

I have never used one because I didn't have one, but picked up a nobugzone ct11 around the holidays (got the FleetFarm deal+online coupon for $80 out the door!) and will be using it this spring. I was needing an upgrade over the cheap tarp I've been using and this was a versatile and (relatively) economical option. I've practiced setting it up a couple times and imagine it will work splendidly.

Even if I love it, there will still definitely be plenty of trips in the future when I won't consider taking it. Most of my past trips wouldn't have seen it come out of the pack due to timing and tripping style, but it sure would have been nice for a couple.

kenpark23: "We used the smaller Eureka last summer in Q and loved it. It is worth noting that we basecamping. I can see it being a pain if we had to tear it down and set it up everyday. We have actually discussed buying a bigger version and sleeping in it on nights when we were certain there would be no rain. "

We've slept in it a few times when the conditions were good. But we use hammocks now. This shelter was also designed to accomodate a hammock. The double zippers cinch up against your suspension system.

The other shelters likely have this feature too.

Another one that looks like a good alternative to Eureka nobugzone, and its half the weight at 2.3lbs.

Bug Screen

One should also consider that a screen shelter requires a fair bit of real estate. You are essentially setting up an extra tent. So you need to find the right campsite to accommodate your group size and the number of tent pads required. The screen tent doesn't necessarily require the flattest ground like a sleeping tent. But sometimes the optimal screen tent pad is also located on the most superior space in the site.

If it's not a free standing shelter, you'll require two adequately spaced trees.

While these considerations may sound limiting, I traveled with a group of four last summer - two tents, two hammocks and the CT13 shelter without issue.

Sorry everyone I got sidetracked a bit. Those Amazon ones are all very similar to the one we have.

Can someone elaborate how the toilet part of this functions?

I strongly second the Eureka no bug zone ct13.
Its a game changer as far a comfort.
Bring a long thin line that will be used as a rideline. The trees can be miles apart. The tarp has loops to string the ridge line threw. After getting the ridgeline very tight between two trees. The tarp can then be slid along this line and positioned anywhere along the line. Try to get the line 8ft up. No poles necessary if line is tight. It only weighs 5-6 #. I won't do another spring or summer trip without it. Don't get the ct11. You will enjoy the extra room of the ct13.
Check out the hammocks made by Amok. Its a very different system and so so comfortable

I also built one to hang under a tarp...good for two people and a dog.

It's 78" long, 58.5 wide, 59" tall.

Original build thread Here

Since then I added a 4" skirt which I weigh down with small rocks and also a two-way zipper to enter/exit.

Weight with those additions is 12oz.

Comes on all solo trips and 2-person trips.

I also built my own but was difficult to put up if the trees were not in the right spots. The Eureka no bug zone ct13 is easy to set up and dies not collect water

I added a set of hammock straps to a CT-11, makes setting up with good headroom a breeze. I think the Eureka is superior to the Nemo (I own both).

Banksiana: "I added a set of hammock straps to a CT-11, makes setting up with good headroom a breeze. I think the Eureka is superior to the Nemo (I own both). "

How many can you fit comfortably in the CT-11? I see that Fleet Farm does not have the CT-13. Just wondering about capacity of both.

Comfortably is the key word…subjective but I think four healthy humans would be the most. Now if it’s raining…might be less of you want to stay dry. I have the 11…sleep in it some nights.

Additionally…I set mine up just like hammock tarp. Run a dyneema ridge line. Two prusiks or kleinheists with speed buttons attached to the tarp. Guy out other corners.

TomP: "

Banksiana: "I added a set of hammock straps to a CT-11, makes setting up with good headroom a breeze. I think the Eureka is superior to the Nemo (I own both). "

How many can you fit comfortably in the CT-11? I see that Fleet Farm does not have the CT-13. Just wondering about capacity of both."

The bug tarp has been one of the best additions to our wilderness canoeing trips. When paddling through Quetico - it was the biggest improvement over all the years we've gone. On family trips in Sylvania Wilderness and BWCA it was one of the things that kept us all sane.

I've used both the Nemo BugOut and the Eureka NoBugZone. They're both good. A couple zippers gave out on a few of the Nemos that I had. Nemo covered repairs. The Eureka seems a little beefier. I love them both.

I'd like to try a CCS, but the price is keeping me from that. I've only heard positive things from those who own and use theirs.

On fall campouts we haven't often needed the screen tarp, but still bring it as a place to cook and play games in the rain.

I recommend getting the ct13. Not much heavier. And the extra room is nice
You did get a good price. Its a game changer. You will love it. I picked up a strong thin cord.100ft. Trees are not easy to find in the correct location.
String the rope through the loops above the tarp. Tie it tightly between two trees at the 8ft level if you can reach. Then slide the tarp to the best location use the extra rope on each side to get the tarp mildly taught. Putting it on a separate ridgeline takes all the tension off of it.

I totally agree on the Eureka. Its a game changer. I always recommend the ct13. More space with not much weight gain over the ct11

timf1981: "I recommend getting the ct13. Not much heavier. And the extra room is nice
You did get a good price. Its a game changer. You will love it. I picked up a strong thin cord.100ft. Trees are not easy to find in the correct location.
String the rope through the loops above the tarp. Tie it tightly between two trees at the 8ft level if you can reach. Then slide the tarp to the best location use the extra rope on each side to get the tarp mildly taught. Putting it on a separate ridgeline takes all the tension off of it."

I would recommend a shorter rope and just use prusik knots at each end for tension. I have never had an issue with about 35' of rope. And yes, Dynema is great rope for this.

Put a loop in one end of your rope. You can use a figure 8, bowline, or better yet - splice one in if you're handy. Wrap the loop around one tree, feed a bight through the loop and place a toggle (you can use a small stick too) in the bight to secure it. Then use a trucker's hitch at the other end to get a firm ridgeline. 8' is about the right height at the doors which means that you need to go a bit higher at the trees. When it's the right height and taut, the zippers will work one-handed flawlessly. If you're not tall enough to get the wrap around the trees, just use a paddle to feed the rope up before you put your ridge line under tension.

Also, when you're packing up, keep the rope in the tarp loops and roll it up with the shelter so it's ready to go next time. I bought a 1/2" dowel at a hardware store, cut a 4" section as a toggle and keep it with the shelter.

^^^^^This^^^^^

I don’t use a hammock, but I’ve thought about using a snakeskin with the nobugzone, has anyone given that a try?

I just bought a ct11 recently and find it pretty stiff to stuff in a stuff sack, snakeskin might be better. I have a full mesh snakeskin for my hammock tarp very easy to stuff in the extra spaces of a pack.

Take a look at an Amok hammock.
So so comfortable. Its not you normal average hammock.
If you do spring or fall camping . Get the highest insulated air mattress .


https://amokequipment.com/products/draumr-5-0-hammock

https://youtu.be/0_3JaJALsq4?si=_tHYFxB1PZ5HTEt7

55gjayb: "

chessie: "Last July, first time ever, the Eureka NoBugZone CT11. We were base camping. It was a lifesaver, as the insects were abundant. I'd bring it again in a minute base camping during bug season. Large enough for two people to be very comfy. However, you'll have to search for them, due to Eureka discontinuing production. It also did well with rain. I'd recommend two telescoping poles to aid in set up. "

Fleet Farm currently has the Eureka NoBugZone CT11 on sale for $90.00. You need to add the item to your cart to see the sale price. Not a bad deal if you are considering one of these."

Thanks for the heads up on the sale, I was going to get one of these, going to drive down and pick mine up on Monday! Thanks!!!!!!

Eureka NoBugZone solution seems like a winner for our early trips. The pics show it set up with (at least?) 2 poles. I have them available, but have any of you set it up just roped to trees?

schweady: "Eureka NoBugZone solution seems like a winner for our early trips. The pics show it set up with (at least?) 2 poles. I have them available, but have any of you set it up just roped to trees?
"

I never bring poles. Use hammock straps with tension adjustment for ease of set up.

I'm likely going to try going the cheapo route and suspending a budget mosquito net under my 10x14' CCS Tarp. My wife can't stand bugs and I fear something like the midge fly hatch we experienced on Duncan early one year.

No poles necessary.
I wrote up a long comment or two up above.
Basically string a long thin strong cord through the loops on top of the tarp. Tring it very tight between any two trees. 7to 8 ft up. Slide tarp on ridgeline to desired position. If needed. A 7 foot dead tree from back in the woods can be used.
Look for my posts or ask more questions. I am in Plymouth mn if you want to check it out.

The Eureka ct13 is a game changer.
Well worth the long term investment. The same with buying a kevlar canoe and carbon fiber paddle used from an outfitter at the end of each season. Ugust September

shouldertripper: "I don’t use a hammock, but I’ve thought about using a snakeskin with the nobugzone, has anyone given that a try? "

I might just take the supplied sack and turn it into a bishop bag.

schweady: "Eureka NoBugZone solution seems like a winner for our early trips. The pics show it set up with (at least?) 2 poles. I have them available, but have any of you set it up just roped to trees?
"

I wrote up a set up a couple of days ago without poles on this thread. Pretty straightforward. Same as many do with tarps.

We just use a rope between two trees. It has worked well for us. Tie prusik knot with a short piece of cord at each end. The Ridgeline goes all the way through the tarp. The prusik knot at each end allows you to adjust the tarp's tension and position.

Couple summers ago I thought I'd try just picking up one of those rectangular mosquito nettings (from Campmor or someplace, maybe $20-40 or so) and hang it under my CCS tarp. While it did work - a couple of us could sit under it ok and eat while the mosquitos buzzed around - I thought it was sloppy to set up and when doing so it was hard to tell what was top, what was sides, where to attach, etc.. So it worked in a pinch but I wasn't thrilled. When i saw the news about Eureka, i put the NoBugZone CT11 on my Christmas list and lo & behold I got one. Packing my tent, my CCS tarp, and this will make for a pretty comfy camp setup.
(My nemeses are the black flies & ticks, getting a mosquito bite for me - even without spray - is rare, though they are still annoying.)

timf1981 and Argo... my apologies for not reading previous posts re poles more closely. I set up my CCS tarp without poles, but also will cheat on occasion and use one as a center pole to achieve a more comfortable center height. The NoBugZone may need to be added to my kit, even though it adds back a bit of weight which we have worked hard to pare down over the years.

My first BW trip was in 1983, and I have been solo tripping since 1997, entering my 27th year, averaging about 6 trips per summer. I quickly found out that if I was huddled under a tarp during a rain storm, the bugs were also anxious to get out of the rain under the tarp. I used a self standing Kelty screen porch for many years, trading down to a smaller tent, and no tarp, to accommodate the weight of the screen porch. When I started taking my grandkids to the BWCA, I always took a shelter, as I wanted them to have a good time, coupled with the desire to take another trip. The first trip with one group had downpours galore. We first set up the screen porch in the rain, ate lunch inside while it rained, quickly put up the tents when it stopped, then ate dinner in the rain. They came back for more.

I built my own ultra lite screen porches for a while, then ultimately purchased a Nemo 13 on a super deal from REI. Last summer, the Nemo was a lifesaver after I got sick, and had to hole up in a makeshift site in Quetico. My solo tent fits inside the Nemo, so I only had to deal with bugs and rain when getting my food pack or bathrooming. I don't need that much space, so I now have a Eureka 11 for soloing. I no longer need to impress others with how lite I can travel, or how many things I go without. I don't carry the kitchen sink, but at my age, I want to be comfortable, which means being bug free and dry.

golds009: "My first BW trip was in 1983, and I have been solo tripping since 1997, entering my 27th year, averaging about 6 trips per summer. I quickly found out that if I was huddled under a tarp during a rain storm, the bugs were also anxious to get out of the rain under the tarp. I used a self standing Kelty screen porch for many years, trading down to a smaller tent, and no tarp, to accommodate the weight of the screen porch. When I started taking my grandkids to the BWCA, I always took a shelter, as I wanted them to have a good time, coupled with the desire to take another trip. The first trip with one group had downpours galore. We first set up the screen porch in the rain, ate lunch inside while it rained, quickly put up the tents when it stopped, then ate dinner in the rain. They came back for more.


I built my own ultra lite screen porches for a while, then ultimately purchased a Nemo 13 on a super deal from REI. Last summer, the Nemo was a lifesaver after I got sick, and had to hole up in a makeshift site in Quetico. My solo tent fits inside the Nemo, so I only had to deal with bugs and rain when getting my food pack or bathrooming. I don't need that much space, so I now have a Eureka 11 for soloing. I no longer need to impress others with how lite I can travel, or how many things I go without. I don't carry the kitchen sink, but at my age, I want to be comfortable, which means being bug free and dry.


"

We purchased the ct13 2 trios ago. Its a game changer. Thanks for sharing your story. We also went to the Amok hammock. They are unbelievably comfortable. Check them out on the web. If you purchase one. Get the highest insulated air mattress they have.

schweady: "timf1981 and Argo... my apologies for not reading previous posts re poles more closely. I set up my CCS tarp without poles, but also will cheat on occasion and use one as a center pole to achieve a more comfortable center height. The NoBugZone may need to be added to my kit, even though it adds back a bit of weight which we have worked hard to pare down over the years.
"

As another commenter said. Its worth the weight after going light as reasonable for years

I went the same route.
Made my own then purchased the ct13

Bought a CCS bug shelter a few years ago and have no regrets at all. If the bugs are at bay, the screen sides roll up and are easy to secure. When the bugs are present, it is the best. Much preferred to the Nemo I had previously for a variety of reasons.

Frenchy19: "Bought a CCS bug shelter a few years ago and have no regrets at all. If the bugs are at bay, the screen sides roll up and are easy to secure. When the bugs are present, it is the best. Much preferred to the Nemo I had previously for a variety of reasons. "

Do you have a link to the ccs and Nemo?
I have the Eureka NoBugZone ct13 and love it. But would be nice to lift up the screens when no bugs. A lot more air would move through on those hot days

timf1981: "

Frenchy19: "Bought a CCS bug shelter a few years ago and have no regrets at all. If the bugs are at bay, the screen sides roll up and are easy to secure. When the bugs are present, it is the best. Much preferred to the Nemo I had previously for a variety of reasons. "

Do you have a link to the ccs and Nemo?
I have the Eureka NoBugZone ct13 and love it. But would be nice to lift up the screens when no bugs. A lot more air would move through on those hot days "

Maybe I am misunderstanding your post, but you can roll up the screens on the nobugzone.

I see Fleet Farm still has the No Bug Zone 11 on sale for 90. A number of sellers have the 13 priced at 180. Should I order two smaller ones or the big one for the same money? My group sizes vary from 2 to 8.

I wouldn't get two of the smaller, I think they are quite bulky, at least the brand new one i have, maybe it stuffs better as it gets used a little. I would look for a better deal on the 13, got to believe they come up on sale this spring.

campnfish: "I wouldn't get two of the smaller, I think they are quite bulky, at least the brand new one i have, maybe it stuffs better as it gets used a little. I would look for a better deal on the 13, got to believe they come up on sale this spring."

I definitely agree. The price for two 11s is similar to one 13 but nearly twice the weighty and bulk. If you need that much space, I would just go for the 13. I have the 11 because I don’t do larger groups and can save a little weight and bulk, but it’s not by much.

TomP: "I see Fleet Farm still has the No Bug Zone 11 on sale for 90. A number of sellers have the 13 priced at 180. Should I order two smaller ones or the big one for the same money? My group sizes vary from 2 to 8."

I am poor at making decisions. So I would get one of each.. I supposed 8 people would fit inside a 13. But it would be tight.. take care if them like kevlar canoes and lightweight carbon fiber paddles and they will last a long time. And will be worth the money in the long run

shouldertripper: "

timf1981: "

Frenchy19: "Bought a CCS bug shelter a few years ago and have no regrets at all. If the bugs are at bay, the screen sides roll up and are easy to secure. When the bugs are present, it is the best. Much preferred to the Nemo I had previously for a variety of reasons. "

Do you have a link to the ccs and Nemo?
I have the Eureka NoBugZone ct13 and love it. But would be nice to lift up the screens when no bugs. A lot more air would move through on those hot days "

Maybe I am misunderstanding your post, but you can roll up the screens on the nobugzone. "

shouldertripper: "

timf1981: "

Frenchy19: "Bought a CCS bug shelter a few years ago and have no regrets at all. If the bugs are at bay, the screen sides roll up and are easy to secure. When the bugs are present, it is the best. Much preferred to the Nemo I had previously for a variety of reasons. "

Do you have a link to the ccs and Nemo?
I have the Eureka NoBugZone ct13 and love it. But would be nice to lift up the screens when no bugs. A lot more air would move through on those hot days "

Maybe I am misunderstanding your post, but you can roll up the screens on the nobugzone. "

The two tall sides have zippers.
The two short sides dont.
But I will definitely check out iptions the next time I have it up.
All our trips are mid June. So bugs are guaranteed 100% of the time

Check out this hot tent camping.

https://youtu.be/zvotSvPIJWg?si=xx8R2_xIuGPxhKXZ

timf1981: "

shouldertripper: "

timf1981: "

Frenchy19: "Bought a CCS bug shelter a few years ago and have no regrets at all. If the bugs are at bay, the screen sides roll up and are easy to secure. When the bugs are present, it is the best. Much preferred to the Nemo I had previously for a variety of reasons. "

Do you have a link to the ccs and Nemo?
I have the Eureka NoBugZone ct13 and love it. But would be nice to lift up the screens when no bugs. A lot more air would move through on those hot days "

Maybe I am misunderstanding your post, but you can roll up the screens on the nobugzone. "

The two tall sides have zippers.
The two short sides dont.
But I will definitely check out iptions the next time I have it up.
All our trips are mid June. So bugs are guaranteed 100% of the time "

There are toggles and loops to secure the mesh once you've rolled it up.

Thanks all for the heads up of the Fleet Farm deal. I picked up a CT11 today for $90. I already have a CT13 and it saved our group of 7 a couple nights last June in the BWCA. In July last year we used the CT13 in the BlackHills...it was so wet that the bugs were a sincere consideration. Went to bed one night and in the morning found a chipmunk had wandered into the screen shelter. In trying to exit, it had climbed the walls putting holes along its many paths until I lifted the side of the shelter and strongly urged his departure.

I now roll up the bottom portion at night. Looking back it seems obvious, but if I can save some people a huge screen patching job it I'm more than willing to share my folly.

In case this can help anyone, I picked this up off Amazon a week ago and got it setup yesterday. I have a mid June trip planned and would rather not need to wear head nets all the time. Big enough for 4 of us to get in and eat, or just sit, out of the bugs. The screen can be rolled up to use just as a tarp/sun shade. Two zipped doors.
No poles included but would work with a ridgeline or poles that I already have.


It's not the lightest but worth it to keep the family happy and willing to come back.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BYVSL22V?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details&th=1
Or search for PRESELF and go the the PRESELF store and look through their items to find it.

Tinytim: "
It's not the lightest but worth it to keep the family happy and willing to come back.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BYVSL22V?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details&th=1
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I was looking at that as a 2-3 camper alternative to my Eureka CT13. It says 2.3 pounds which seems pretty light to me for what it is. Is that accurate? My CT13 is nearly 6 pounds, which was OK for five of us but too much for fewer than 4. Trying to decide between this and just a regular tarp.

Packed it up and it measures 16" X 7"
My scale puts it at 2 lbs 11 oz. This is without the included stakes. I have other stakes I will be using. Or just make my own from sticks.

Tinytim: "Packed it up and it measures 16" X 7"
My scale puts it at 2 lbs 11 oz. This is without the included stakes. I have other stakes I will be using. Or just make my own from sticks.

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So right around three pounds with stakes. Thanks for checking!

Ct13 is worth its weight in gold

I'm not usually one to advocate for cheap gear, but I have been told that this is a pretty serviceable shelter, and at this kind of price (on clearance as of this posting for $29.51) it would be hard to beat for anyone on the fence about using a screen shelter. Add some paracord or something to get to a $35 total and its free shipping.

Ozark Trail Screen Shelter

Just booked my permit for my first BWCA trip (in the summer at least), and started looking at these types of shelters as we are going the third weekend of June, and I am expecting a good amount of bug pressure. Does anyone have any experience with the walmart version of what is effectively a slightly different CT13? Its on sale for $25 right now: https://www.walmart.com/ip/seort/895570759https://www.walmart.com/ip/seort/895570759
Wanted to see if anyone had one and could get an accurate weight without the poles.
I'm a bit torn on whether to grab the CT11 from FF, pay double for the CT13 with it being discontinued, or try my hand at making/commissioning a modular net to use with my already owned Paria 10x10 tarp.