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Huge Northern Pike caught in Burntside!

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VoyageurNorth

06/04/2008 10:49PM

27 pounds 8 ounces, 49 inches long, 21 inch girth

Using a Rapala Tail Dancer-perch colored

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bulldog

06/04/2008 11:27PM

Congrats! Nice fish

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1313

06/05/2008 12:03AM

On a Tail Dancer, Fishguts was right!

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ekffazr

06/05/2008 12:31AM

I see the Rapala, but wheres the fish??

Nice fish, I want one

Today could be your last chance to be good to yourself

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mipe4

06/05/2008 08:10AM

Wow! What a nice fish.

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Fazzy

06/05/2008 08:47AM

Wow - great fish. I assume that big mama is going on the wall!

O.K. - One more cast...

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ditchpickle6996

Guest Paddler

06/05/2008 09:16AM

They grow big in B-side. Endless smelt to feed on. Makes me wonder how many times that big girl was lurking below my toes last summer!

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johntaylor

06/05/2008 11:18AM

Too bad you caught the little one. If only he had been using live bait huh TGO!

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mr.barley

06/05/2008 11:25AM

That's a whole lotta teeth and slime.

serenity now

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moose plums

06/05/2008 01:11PM

I want one!

"I am haunted by waters"~Norman Maclean "A River Runs Through It"

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cowdoc

06/05/2008 01:58PM

....but....did he catch it out of a canoe?!?

"What could happen?"

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Themyth

06/05/2008 04:31PM

"Holly $hit", was my reaction when I saw your pic.... Great fish!

~The Myth

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Kiporby

06/05/2008 05:35PM

Wow!! That is a monster!!

There is a light and it never goes out. Morrissey

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wildernessjoe

06/05/2008 07:09PM

Come on...... Let's hear about the fight/landing/etc. Assuming you had to get out of the canoe in the shallows, WOW Congrats!

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kanoes

06/05/2008 07:15PM

i have a feeling it wasnt caught out of a canoe...not that it matters.

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rugbyhooker

06/05/2008 08:03PM

That's awesome!!

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Jimi

06/05/2008 08:08PM

That's gotta be the happiest guy in the world!!

Jimi

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ILikePike

06/05/2008 09:20PM

i wish i can catch a fish that big in my life

nice fish

“Wilderness is not a luxury but a necessity of the human spirit” -Edward Abbey

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The Great Outdoors

06/05/2008 09:53PM

johntaylor,

Amen!!!

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chadwick

06/05/2008 11:31PM

nice fish, but I wish he would have chosen to get a graphite replica instead, they look much better.

www.chadwicksfishing.com chadwicks fishing guide service, Kenai River guided fishing.

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timatkn

06/05/2008 11:50PM

Man if that fish weighs 27# I would have loved to see the the 45 pounder out of Basswood years ago----that is nice fish. Northerns approaching 50" are really rare these days.

Tim

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chadwick

06/07/2008 11:08PM

its long but pretty skinny.

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kanoes

06/07/2008 11:15PM

...and someones jealous, just like me. :)

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N.NE.MN.R

06/07/2008 11:51PM

Another fish that should have not been kept.

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kanoes

06/08/2008 12:08AM

if i remember correctly...keeping that fish is legal. she's at the end of her breeding life anyway.

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VoyageurNorth

06/08/2008 12:23AM

He was in a small fishing boat, not a canoe.

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The Great Outdoors

06/08/2008 11:02PM

kanoes,

A triple Amen to your comment about the breeding cycle.

How many 300 pound, 70 year old women do the catch and release people take out on a date????? :)

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mr.barley

06/09/2008 09:01AM

Hahahaha! That's hilarious TGO! I have a hunch there are some state record fish lurking in the larger BW lakes. After all, the lakes aren't as heavily fished as they were during the motor years. Just a matter of someone catching them. And in a canoe to boot.

serenity now

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cowdoc

06/09/2008 10:51AM

HEY!....leave mom out of this! ;)

"What could happen?"

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tworke

06/09/2008 12:02PM

I caught one just like that, but smaller, way smaller

That tree looks familiar?!

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snakecharmer

06/09/2008 02:41PM

Always take at least a couple of pictures - someone always blinks |-) Very nice fish!!!

"Many men go fishing all of their lives without knowing it is not fish they are after"
~ Henry David Thoreau

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jamesr1214

06/09/2008 03:38PM

How long did it take to land that HUGE northern?
Great fish!!!
Jim

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jamesr1214

06/09/2008 03:38PM

How long did it take to land that HUGE northern?
Great fish!!!
Jim

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beaverwood620

06/09/2008 04:23PM

Snakecharmer, nice observation about the closed eyes. I didn't notice that, as my eyes were fixated on the huge fish. Kinda like if it was a woman with a nice rack.

Sometimes things go right.

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VoyageurNorth

06/10/2008 04:16AM

I did take 2 shots, but the fish didn't look as good in the other one! :-)

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mr.barley

06/10/2008 08:17AM

I'm sure he has a ton of better pictures of himself with the fish. You just don't take 2 pictures when you catch something like that.

serenity now

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chadwick

06/10/2008 10:03AM

My question, why not take the pictures on the lake. thye look a hell of a lot better than in a bait shop.

www.chadwicksfishing.com chadwicks fishing guide service, Kenai River guided fishing.

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The Great Outdoors

06/10/2008 10:46PM

Andrew,

I heard a rumor they found the big northern you caught and released floating, and was being munched on by Seagulls.

Murderer!!! :)

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VoyageurNorth

06/10/2008 11:33PM

All they had was a camera phone & it was too dark at night to get decent shots.

I took a couple of him holding it but his arms were getting tired! And while it was laying on the floor of our bait shop, I took some more, close up & setting my camera to get the best color. Then when he took it home to a taxidermist, he'd have the correct coloration.

In fact, after I sent him a bunch of the digital pictures to his email, I got a very nice email back thanking me for all the color shots since their cell phone didn't do it justice.

Not sure if he took any once he got home (about 3-4 hours away) but he wanted to have something showing it freshly caught.

See, his eyes are open here but the other photo is better of the fish.

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mr.barley

06/10/2008 11:50PM

I was on a trip in which a 37 inch pike was landed after a long battle. Pics were taken on a tiny island about 50 feet from where the fish was landed. The pike was then revived (so we thought) and we canoed off. Before we were 50 feet way from the island, a eagle flew over head and landed on the island. He waded out into the water and latched on to the pike with one talon (which never swam off apparently) and dragged it to shore by flapping it's wings. Then it began to chow down on the large pike. If I hadn't seen it, I would have never believed an eagle could drag such a big fish out of the water. The next year we returned to the island and the whole skeleton was still there.

serenity now

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TomT

06/11/2008 04:40AM

Amazing story Mr. Barley.

I once canoed over to a small bare rock sitting maybe 30 yards from shore to filet some fish. What I didn't realize is that I was being watched by a huge mature bald eagle the whole time.

As I paddled away he swooped down on the rock and feasted on the leftovers.

"Life is not about finding yourself. Life is about creating yourself." --- George Bernard Shaw

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beaverwood620

06/11/2008 04:12PM

2nd pic is nice in that you can get a good idea of the fish's width. I also like the color of the fish in 2nd pic. I would say if you seen that monster cruising the surface you would think you were down in the bayou with the gators. Had a muskie on once that reminds me of that pike.

Sometimes things go right.

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Jeriatric

06/20/2008 09:15PM

I was loitering around vnorth, the night before going into the BW, when this fish showed up. I was properly impressed.

The business of life is the acquisition of memories. In the end that's all there is. ___Mr Carson (Downton Abby)

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L.T.sully

06/21/2008 02:54PM

That fish isn't near the State record, but if I caught a fish I thought had a chance at the record he's not getting released....

The creation of a thousand forests is in a single acorn- Ralph Waldo Emerson

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pikeman

06/22/2008 10:25AM

I'm all about the replica but I work for a living and it is twice as much for a replica than to bring the fish in. I am a catch and release guy but that is a damn nice fish for mn. It would be going on my wall if I caught my biggest is only 43 in at 22 lb.

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gbusk

11/16/2008 04:54PM

Pike like those eat the "hammer handle pike" With less pike like this the hammer handle will flourish, compete with each other for food and become stunted.

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castNblast

11/16/2008 05:07PM

Fish in burntside don't need to compete for food with the millions of smelt in there.

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lsvanderploeg

11/16/2008 08:23PM

Great Fish!!!
Haven't been able to get a big one yet.
Some day!

"Your fish wasnt that big." "It is now, it gets bigger every time I tell the story."

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gbusk

11/16/2008 09:06PM

Good point castNblast, you may be right about THAT lake, I don't claim to always be right.

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bromel

11/19/2008 08:25AM

I gotta say that I am with Chadwick on this one. That's a very nice fish, but there is no reason to keep it. All you need to do is photo and measure it and get a replica mount made. The replica mounts look better and last longer anyways.

Releasing the fish is not about breeding. It's about letting a trophy go so that somebody else has the chance to catch it. Do you ever wonder why the state record for northern pike hasn't been broken since 1929? Maybe it's because when they get over 20 pounds and get caught, then they end up hanging on somebody's wall?

Why are Chadwick and I some of the only lonely voices of trophy conservation in this forum? Weird... Who cares if keeping it is "legal"??? It might be legal, but it might also be a little selfish. Release your trophies for the rest of us to catch.

Bromel

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quetico152

11/19/2008 01:07PM

no, bromel. i agree also... i would have released it also, and may have had a replica made.

"One swallow does not make a summer, nor does one day; and so too one day, or a short time, does not make a man blessed and happy" ~ Aristotle

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Bromel

11/19/2008 01:11PM

I'm glad to hear there are others interested in trophy fish conservation.

Bromel

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gbusk

11/19/2008 01:52PM

Lots of things a legal, but still not always the best choice.

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MagicStik

11/19/2008 02:12PM

I am catch/release 99% of the time also.....100% CPR on trophy fish.

I will never bash a person for keeping their "trophy" fish but teaching and informing folks on CPR and replicas can only help the next anlger hook into their trophy fish.

With replicas today you can certainly practice CPR and still enjoy seeing your catch on the wall. 20+ years down the road that replica will still look awesome. IMO...skin mounts look pretty bad when they put on a few years....fins come apart and they lose their coloring.

Price wise....a replica will not cost much more than a GOOD skin mount. There are guys out there that will do a skin mount for $5/inch...but you get what you pay for. Check out www.artisticanglers.com and see their replicas. Very impressive!
MagicStik

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ILikePike

11/19/2008 03:20PM

i agree with chadwick and bromel,
the smaller fish taste better and give other people the chance to catch it. i haven't caught any trophy fish but will hopefully someday if people release the big ones.

“Wilderness is not a luxury but a necessity of the human spirit” -Edward Abbey

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The Great Outdoors

11/19/2008 10:23PM

I have no problem with CPR, but am amazed with people that believe that releasing a big fish will allow it to be caught by another, and another, and another......!

A big fish is an old fish, and fighting them (especially with ultra light gear) will more times than not, lead to their demise.

A stressed fish can die as much as five days later, and fish kept out of water for more than a minute to be measured & photographed, has a far greater chance of dying.

I have said it before, and will say it again,-catch and release is a feel good program.

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MagicStik

11/20/2008 08:17AM

"A big fish is an old fish, and fighting them (especially with ultra light gear) will more times than not, lead to their demise."

Wow......here we go again.

MagicStik

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bromel

11/20/2008 09:32AM

"A big fish is an old fish, and fighting them (especially with ultra light gear) will more times than not, lead to their demise."

Hey Great Outdoors,

I challenge you to provide one iota of scientific evidence to back up your claim above. We know that catching and landing fish can sometimes stress them out and cause a few fish to die, but how do you know that it "will more times than not, lead to their demise." We have musky fisherman catching and landing 50-inch muskies all the time, all over the country. Are they all dying?

Second, I question your assertion that a 27-pound pike is an "old" fish. If the state record is 45+ pounds, doesn't that mean that the 27 pounder is about midway through life and probably has many good years to come?

I would be more interested in properly landing and releasing a fish with the hopes that it continues to mature and grow. And, even if it does die, its decaying carcass will do more for the conservation of the ecosystme than it will if it is hanging on your wall.

Just my two cents. Thanks for listening.

Bromel

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mattbrome

11/20/2008 09:50AM

As a key player in the last discussion of this matter of CPR or keep any fish within your legal right for the fry pan/wall, I will be the first to say that this is an argument that has already been made over and over and over. If you are curious on the views of the people from this message board on this issue, arguments can be found in several threads by using the search function.

My own opinion, as many know, some perhaps know too well, a few little ones can be kept to eat, the large ones, especially the trophies, all go back. Keep a few for fun to eat, let the rest go, regardless of what is the legal number of fish that you CAN keep. Obviously, don't take more than your limit. The reason it is called a limit, is because this is the MAXIMUM number of fish you can keep, not the number you are required to keep. In my view, this is the only way to have potential that your nice fish can be caught again and again by other anglers. I disagree that CPR is just a feel good program and that released fish will surely die and wouldn't ever be caught again by another angler. This argument is beyond silly to me.

In short, I would have revived and released this pike. If you are going to spend the cash to get a mount made anyhow, you might as well let the fish go and have a replica made for a little extra. Plus, the many pros of the replica far outweigh the sole con of it costing a little more.

I would hate to see another argument ensue like the one we had before about "all the bass caught in the tournament were found dead in a bay" or however that went. If you want to see that stuff, do a search and you'll find a nice long back and forth about it.

Mattbrome

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mattbrome

11/20/2008 10:39AM

To add one more thing, great catch! The Tail Dancer strikes again!

Mattbrome

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mattbrome

11/20/2008 10:40AM

Which size Tail Dancer was used to land this hog?

Mattbrome

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VoyageurNorth

11/20/2008 12:17PM

I think I can get in touch with him & find out. I'd ask John but that was brought in late at night & he had already gone home.

It will probably take me a while to get hold of him.

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The Great Outdoors

11/20/2008 08:42PM

bromel,

It is good that you are doing so much for the conservation of the ecosystem by reviving and releasing large pike, many of which will be eaten by seagulls, eagles, and/or otters when they pop to the surface long after you have left the area.

As far as the state record being 45+ lbs, this is true. It was caught in Basswood Lake many years ago, when the lake was very fertile, far more so than now. This was because of the dumping of sewage from Ely into Shagawa lake. Shagawa used to become green and slimy in late July/early August, and was the second fastest walleye growth lake in Minnesota (next to upper Red Lake, if my memory serves me correctly). This was because of the phosphates that caused vegetation to grow rapidly and increased the yellow perch population, a major feed for walleye.

Shagawa Lake flows into Fall Lake, which flows into Newton Lake, which flows into Basswood, etc, etc, which aided in the growth of fish.

Slot limits seem to work, but large fish C&R is a feel good thing.

Some live, a lot don't.

Don't shoot the messenger, I'm just trying to tell you how it is.

I'm not against C&R, but you and Jr. don't appear to accept the facts!

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MagicStik

11/21/2008 08:59AM

"I'm not against C&R, but you and Jr. don't appear to accept the facts!"

What facts? All you have provided is your opinion.

MagicStik

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bapabear

11/21/2008 09:45AM

I read all the posts about the viewpoints regarding what to do with the larger, especially trophy, fish that are caught in the BW.

What makes me curious is, in my potential case, were I in the right place and time using the right bait/lure and all my planets were aligned I would be on a canoe camping trip when the "monster" is caught. If I could land the fish, taking it along for mounting is not an option nor would eating something that size make sense. Marking a paddle for size reference and getting as many pics as possible in a short time would be about all I could do before releasing it. My only option for a mount of the fish is a replica. I could do some research locally but am hoping some of you might know what the replica mounts really cost in comparison. MagicStik's reference to $5 per inch on a skin mount seems in the ballpark compared to a large trout I had done a few years back. I'd like to know what to expect to pay for a really good replica mount. Anyone gone this route and willing to share the cost?

My superhero name is TYPOMAN. Writer of wrongs.

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Bromel

11/21/2008 12:18PM

Great Outdoors,

Thanks for the little history on the fertility of lakes near Ely. But you were just beating around the bush and you did not address my challenge. Just give me one shred of evidence to justify the following statement that you made:

"A big fish is an old fish, and fighting them (especially with ultra light gear) will more times than not, lead to their demise."

As you say, I might not be able to accept the "facts." But you don't HAVE any facts about the mortality of released pike. Show me the facts!

Bromel

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MagicStik

11/21/2008 12:54PM

Mine were $12 per inch I think. There are some bad replica makers out there and there are some very good ones. As in the skin mounts you get what you pay for...imo. Artistic Anglers in Duluth, MN did my 3 mounts and they turned out awesome! They do a lot of the mounts you see in Cabelas stores. I think your going to pay around $10 for a good skin mount

You add in additional costs with driftwood, rocks, crawfish...ect. Those additions really give your mount a unique look.

MagicStik

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MagicStik

11/21/2008 01:10PM

Here are links to the three replicas they did for me.
Walleye Replica Smallie Replicas

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Bromel

11/21/2008 01:24PM

Wow, those are some great replica mounts. Thanks for sharing the pics.

Bromel

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The Great Outdoors

11/21/2008 01:31PM

Bromel,

I am not beating round the bush.

My facts are based on fishing about 90 days a summer for many years, and witnessing this, over and over.

Many other experienced fishermen, and DNR employees, have seen the same.

If you only fish a few days during the year, and haven't caught many larger fish, you probably haven't had the opportunity to see what happens.

I'm sure this is falling on deaf ears, so this will be my last comment to you about this subject on the forum.

If you wish to continue the conversation further, feel free to give me a call any morning from 9-noon at my shop. Sunday mornings are best.

218-365-4744

Look forward to hearing from you.

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bromel

11/21/2008 02:00PM

Great Outdoors,

That's exactly my point. Your information is just anecdotal at best. It is not based on facts.

Here are some hard, scientific facts about the catch-and-release mortality of northern pike:

* Studies on the catch and release effects on northern pike have shown a low mortality rate from 3% to 10%
* Pike that are hooked in the mouth showed an extremely low mortality rate of less than 2%
* Larger pike are no more susceptible to dying from catch and release than small pike

Here's the link to the scientific facts:

Link to the Scientific Facts on Pike Mortality

I just want to debunk the whole idea that a large pike is likely going to die if you release it. That's just not true. A pike hooked in the mouth and released in a timely manner has a 98% chance of surviving, and that is backed up by scientific facts. So please, everyone, think of this the next time you land a big one. Take a photo and get a replica made.

Bromel

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MagicStik

11/21/2008 02:23PM

TGO,

I logged in 390.25 hours on the water in 2007 and 361.75 so far this year. I very rarely see dead fish let alone "over and over". I am only 2 hours south of the lakes you fish.

MagicStik

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gbusk

11/21/2008 03:40PM

I've caught several fish that have had small injuries from being hooked previously.

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gbusk

11/21/2008 03:40PM

I've caught several fish that have had small injuries from being hooked previously.

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The Great Outdoors

11/21/2008 07:12PM

Bromel and Magic Stik,

I could fill the page, as I said before, but would probably be wasting my time.

You are citing what you have read, while I'm telling you what I, and many others have experienced (called facts in most circles).

This comes from many years of fishing.

I have no reason to lie, or exaggerate anything I wrote about C&R.

Either of you, or any other forum members, are welcome to call me to discuss the subject.

You have the phone number from the previous post, and the times I am at the shop.

We can have a long conversation at that time.

However, I am willing to bet that neither of you will call.

PS-Magic Stik,
Like yourself, I didn't have a lot of experience, or fish much in my younger days either!!

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bromel

11/21/2008 08:19PM

I'm not afraid to call you, but I just don't understand how that would be better than continuing our conversation here? Are you going to say something different on the phone than you've already said here?

Bromel

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The Great Outdoors

11/21/2008 09:17PM

Personnel conversations can cut through any misinterpretation of statements that occur on a forum.

I didn't say you were afraid to call, just don't think you will as your mind seems to be made up.

Studies are only as good as the communication between the field agents that conduct the tests, and people that process the information before drawing their conclusions.

I have seen this on Burntside smelt studies as some published reports were totally false.

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kanoes

11/21/2008 09:40PM

OMG! i cant believe this thread still lives! it was a big fish. it was an old fish. it would have died soon anyway. end of discussion.

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The Great Outdoors

11/21/2008 09:43PM

Amen, Bro:)

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bromel

11/22/2008 09:51AM

I think it's funny when folks decide to end a conversation because they realize that they don't have any facts to back up their assertions.

But hey, I do like you guys. This kind of banter is what makes online forums fun!

Bromel

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thlipsis29

11/22/2008 10:18AM

Can we bury this northern next to the 25" walleye that was eaten?

"While Jesus can make you wonderfully happy, he has no intention of making you normal." Erwin McManus

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The Great Outdoors

11/23/2008 11:19PM

"I think it's funny when folks decide to end a conversation because they realize that they don't have any facts to back up their assertions"

Sigh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I will end all correspondence on this forum post with this:

"One that refuses to accept facts from a person with many years of fishing experience, but totally accepts "facts" from magazine articles, sport shows, watching Rapala commercials, and fishing for one week per year, make any further discussion of this C&R subject, absolutely useless!"

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thlipsis29

11/24/2008 06:50AM

When it comes to statistics as facts I remember what a math professor once told me: there are lies, damned lies and statistics. You can make numbers say just about anything you want if you work with them enough.

"While Jesus can make you wonderfully happy, he has no intention of making you normal." Erwin McManus

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MagicStik

11/24/2008 09:24AM

"One that refuses to accept facts from a person with many years of fishing experience, but totally accepts "facts" from magazine articles, sport shows, watching Rapala commercials, and fishing for one week per year, make any further discussion of this C&R subject, absolutely useless!"

TGO...I base my opinion on time spent on the water and studies done on the subject matter. Please provide some back up to your opinion. If you can't it is nothing more than your opinion. Obviously if what your saying is correct there would be some information to back it up.

I am 30 years old and have been putting a lot of time on the water and ice the last 10 years. At what point in my life should I expect to see dead fish floating...."over and over"?

I respect your fishing knowledge and the fact that you spend a lot of time on the water....lord knows there is no such thing as too much fishing. That being said, I just can't understand what you see on the water that I...and others...don't.

And just for you....the Rapala prayer. :)

"Oh Lord, there he is.......he feels like a big one,....please don't let me lose him, I've never had one this big, I promise not to "horse him", and if I land him, (and my wife says its ok), I'll release him, and make a graphite replica. Thank you for the Rapalas,......Amen.

MagicStik

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rlhedlund

11/29/2008 07:25PM

I sense a generational shift here. Some people will only accept personal experience and lore for fact.

I recall some had a hard time accepting the concept of movement of electrons because they had never seen man-made electricity for themselves.

Trust me, C&R is not a "feel good" concept. That mindset went the way of the dinosaur. It also went the way of the market hunter and the bubba who hunts for trophy antlers to brag to his buddies while leaving the carcass in the woods. I just did not know anyone was still around that felt so strongly to bear their soul against C&R.

I won't bother to reference the multitude of studies, a mind is a terrible thing to change. But I am curious to learn the STUDIES documenting the shortcomings of C&R. I am an ultra-light myself but can change my mind if you can convince me it harms fish moreso that heavy tackle.

Any fisheries biologists care to weigh in? I went to college with a few, but am not one myself, I'm a forester. And I'm in between the two most vocal posters in terms of age.

Now let's go catch some fish, I'm addicted.

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rlhedlund

11/29/2008 08:02PM

http://www.acuteangling.com/Reference/C&RMortality.html

Interesting read. One thing I read somewhere else had to do with amount of time angled fish was held out of the water. One minute out of water was bad, 30 seconds was better.

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kanoes

11/29/2008 08:06PM

ultra-light v. regular tackle. youve got to be kidding. a 25 minute fight v. a 5 minute one? common sense alone dictates which fish will most likely live. UL fishing may be fun...but its cruel for the fish.

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rlhedlund

11/29/2008 08:08PM

Another good educational piece on C&R studies

http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/recreational/articles/crmortalityresearch.html

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rlhedlund

11/29/2008 08:10PM

common sense says a bumblebee can't fly

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kanoes

11/29/2008 08:12PM

enjoy the blinders youre wearing.

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kanoes

11/29/2008 08:20PM

well?

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rlhedlund

11/29/2008 08:24PM

For the rainbow crowd

http://www.absc.usgs.gov/research/Fisheries/Alagnak/catch_and_release.htm

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kanoes

11/29/2008 08:28PM

any study, depending on who funds it, can be swayed to a predetermined conclusion. kinda like human caused global warming studies. open your eyes man. go with your gut...with what makes sense. geeze....

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rlhedlund

11/29/2008 08:29PM

well?

As I mentioned earlier, the study I referenced said mortality was more closely related to the amount of time the fish was held out of the water and not to the amount of time in the water up to landing. And I can assure you a 25 minute fight vs. 5 min is a complete exageration. Many landings on UL are even less than 5 minutes, sorry. 5 min is a long time and even longer pulling in a good sized smallie but it's still 5 min.

Let's be careful here before we convince the treehuggers to outlaw ALL fishing.

Life is Good, Living is Better. Everlasting Life is Best! Pray for Us Amok.

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kanoes

11/29/2008 08:36PM

ok theN...lets say a five minute fight on ultralight gear. i would equate that to a 1-2 minute fight with normal tackle. who in their right mind would consider that a non factor? who would possibly say that the fish would have been stressed equally? NO ONE. no one.....

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kanoes

11/29/2008 08:40PM

do the math..and the physiology

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rlhedlund

11/29/2008 08:40PM

I agree with you that one fish is stressed more than the other, but stress does not equate to 100% mortality. As long as the more stressed fish is held out of the water less than the less-stressed fish, it has a better chance of survival. The lactic acid builds more the longer the fight, but lactic acid levels are more affected by time out of water. keep the fish in the water while removing the hook, and that is why I don't mind it when a monster throws the hook right next to the boat.

Apparently, you and I are the only ones with nothing better to do on a Sat night. Sorry bout that.

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kanoes

11/29/2008 08:47PM

LOL! man...great last comment! LOL

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rlhedlund

11/29/2008 08:48PM

I need to get some advise from you in another thread for my trip next spring. Looking for smallies along my trip with my daughter in mid-may.

my e-mail
rlhedlund@verizon.net

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kanoes

11/29/2008 08:49PM

the end

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kanoes

11/29/2008 08:51PM

come into chat

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Bromel

12/01/2008 09:52AM

Who is it that fishes only one week per year? I would guess that I get in about 40 days per year.

Bromel

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Arkansas Man

Moderator

12/01/2008 03:44PM

Okay, many years ago I caught a 23.2 lb striper on 6lb test line during a bass tournament I was fishing. It took me exactly 17 minutes (timed from the first 80 yard run) until landing with a net. It would not fit into my livewell, I ran to the nearest dock to have it weighed and a photo taken. I was fishing by myself. I gave the fish to the dock owner because it was fought out and it died. I do not think it would have revived even if I had tried after a fight that long. So in my opinion for what it is worth, if you catch a bigger fish and you feel it will not survive due to the stress of the fight, then keep it.
\
Bruce

Good Paddling, Great Fishing, and God Bless All...

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moose plums

12/01/2008 03:55PM

I would have done the same as the guy who caught it. It would look great on my wall.:)

"I am haunted by waters"~Norman Maclean "A River Runs Through It"

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kanoes

12/01/2008 07:04PM

who was that comment for bromel?

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thlipsis29

12/01/2008 07:09PM

Thanks kanoes, I was trying to figure that out myself.

For what it's worth, I'm lucky if I get to fish for a total of a week or so over the summer. Two kids three and under really limit the amount of time I have out on the water. In fact I decided to sell my boat this last summer because I wasn't using it. Hopefully as they grow older, we'll start spending a lot more time out on the water.

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Bromel

12/02/2008 08:20AM

TGO said this:

"One that refuses to accept facts from a person with many years of fishing experience, but totally accepts "facts" from magazine articles, sport shows, watching Rapala commercials, and fishing for one week per year, make any further discussion of this C&R subject, absolutely useless!"

Seems like he was assuming that I only fish one week per year, which is not true.

Bromel

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neufox47

12/08/2008 10:22PM

I know more about salt water fishing than fresh water, and acknowledge that it is literally, a different animal. For disclosure I only practice catch and release when I have enough fish to eat or it is early in the day.

I do not understand the distrust of scientific studies over personal experience. Yes, studies can be misleading (the above cited Alaskan study excluded any "severely bleeding" fish from the study, questionable sample size, etc). But personal experience is always misleading. For example, the study marked fish based on the handling techniques utilized and then kept them in tanks. Observations made while fishing involve so many variables that it is impossible to determine the circumstances surrounding a catch and release or a floating fish. The C&R fish may swim off, appear fine and die a day later. A floating fish may have been gill hooked or gullet hooked, or it may have been out of the water for 15 minutes while someone fumbled with the hook.

I keep more of the legal fish I catch than I release, but I believe in science when it comes to finding the answers. There is a reason that studies conducted without following the scientific method are considered invalid.

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The Great Outdoors

12/09/2008 10:37PM

neufox47

I totally agree with you, and that is exactly my point.

Scientific or controlled studies are under optimum conditions.

Most C&R isn't, and many novices that practice it religiously, aren't as skilled or careful as the person conducting the study because of the weighing, photographing, and time out of the water of the catch.

With this said, the distrust would be better described as an apple to oranges study.

This reply is only a comment neufox47's post, and no others.

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buz

12/10/2008 08:40AM

the thread that will not die. Headed for longest one on record.

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bapabear

12/10/2008 08:50AM

Congrats! Nice fish!

Now, how do I stop notification of a new posting to a thread?

My superhero name is TYPOMAN. Writer of wrongs.

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thlipsis29

12/10/2008 11:05AM

This thread proves that even a fish that isn't caught and released can live and achieve immortality.

"While Jesus can make you wonderfully happy, he has no intention of making you normal." Erwin McManus

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VoyageurNorth

12/10/2008 09:33PM

I'm sure if the guy who registered that "famous monster" has been keeping track of these posts, he is pretty impressed!

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kanoes

12/10/2008 10:00PM

geeze....even the innie/outtie debate doesnt get this many posts! :)

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VoyageurNorth

12/10/2008 10:18PM

that's 'cause fishing is more important! :-)

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rlhedlund

12/11/2008 04:34PM

Can we start a drive to immortalize this fish (or maybe this thread) by designating it as a saint?

Can anyone attribute a miracle to this fish or thread? I think we need three verified miracles.

Long live the St. Pike thread!!!!

Life is Good, Living is Better. Everlasting Life is Best! Pray for Us Amok.

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bapabear

12/11/2008 05:15PM

Saint Esox lucius lives on over 6 months after death.

My superhero name is TYPOMAN. Writer of wrongs.

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thlipsis29

12/24/2008 09:17PM

Someone just had to wish this fish a Merry Christmas.

"While Jesus can make you wonderfully happy, he has no intention of making you normal." Erwin McManus

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BigLake

01/07/2009 02:18PM

Wow nice fish! Happy New Year TGO!

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Bromel

01/07/2009 02:36PM

To heck with science!!! From now on, I am just going to go with my gut. And I am going to start using live bait too...

Bromel

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VoyageurNorth

01/07/2009 03:46PM

I'm going to have to see if the guy who caught this can send me a picture of it after it went to the taxidermist. It truly will be the fish who never died! :-)

Maybe he'll let us hang it in our shop so you all can stop by and see the famous never dying fish? Nah, probably not, I'm sure he'll want to keep it.

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mr.barley

01/07/2009 06:35PM

VNO,

Maybe you could trade him a seasons worth of live bait if he let's you hang it in your shop for the season.

serenity now

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kanoes

01/07/2009 07:21PM

my heart just skipped a beat!

"To heck with science!!! From now on, I am just going to go with my gut. And I am going to start using live bait too...

Bromel"

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VoyageurNorth

02/12/2009 02:26AM

Sorry, just had to keep this fish (story) alive! :-)

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snakecharmer

02/12/2009 05:43AM

Happy belated Ground Hog Day Mr. Pike!!!

"Many men go fishing all of their lives without knowing it is not fish they are after"
~ Henry David Thoreau

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thlipsis29

02/12/2009 05:57AM

I'd like to know whether or not he saw his shadow on Feb 2; this fish would eat Puxatony Phil for lunch.

"While Jesus can make you wonderfully happy, he has no intention of making you normal." Erwin McManus

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kanoes

02/12/2009 06:04AM

good morning mr. big pike.

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Cedarboy

02/12/2009 07:20AM

73.3% of all statistics are made up.

Nice fish!!

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crutch5

02/12/2009 08:54AM

One hell of a fish!!!!!!!!

CRUTCH 5

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Savage Voyageur

02/12/2009 07:00PM

That is an outstanding example of a Esox lucius. Congratulations!!!

"So many lakes, so little time." WWJD

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gutmon

02/12/2009 07:06PM

In reading this thread I am struck by one FACT:
C&R= chance of survival
Keep and eat (or mount)= 100% dead

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schweady

02/12/2009 07:18PM

Hey there, Mr. Big Pike Monster. How'd you spend your Lincoln's Birthday? Oh, yeah, you're BOTH DEAD!

"You can observe a lot just by watching." -- Yogi Berra

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thlipsis29

02/12/2009 08:07PM

This particular fish is anything but dead--he keeps on living in this thread

"While Jesus can make you wonderfully happy, he has no intention of making you normal." Erwin McManus

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The Great Outdoors

02/12/2009 11:23PM

gutmon and schweady,

Yep, it's dead!

As dead as the mosquito you slapped on your arm last trip.

As dead as any fish you kept on your last trip.

Time to get over it!

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Bass Master

02/13/2009 04:58PM

holy.!?! what lb test did you get that sucker on? I'm soo getting three of those tail dancer things ;D you should try to bring a camera with you take at least 10 pics get length and girth put it back in the water stroke its gills. If it doesnt swim away after like 5-10 minutes take him out and keep him you might catch him again when hes bigger. Its also nice to know that someone else will be able to catch him and have the fun memory of that catch. just some suggestions...

"Everyone should believe in something; I believe I'll go fishing." –Henry David Thoreau

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Jeriatric

02/14/2009 12:38AM

That fish is starting to look so familiar, I'd probably recognize him if I met him on the trail. On the other hand, I'd probably never recognize the guy holding him because I don't see him when I look at the picture.

The business of life is the acquisition of memories. In the end that's all there is. ___Mr Carson (Downton Abby)

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snakecharmer

02/14/2009 08:13AM

Happy Valentine's Day Mr. Pike!

"Many men go fishing all of their lives without knowing it is not fish they are after"
~ Henry David Thoreau

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thlipsis29

02/14/2009 08:36AM

Feel the love on this thread!

"While Jesus can make you wonderfully happy, he has no intention of making you normal." Erwin McManus

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VoyageurNorth

02/14/2009 08:22PM

You sure it wasn't Mrs. or Ms. Pike? :-)

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The Great Outdoors

02/14/2009 08:40PM

Hmmmm, let's see.

Big mouth, vicious, ugly.

You are correct Lynn, it would be Ms. or Mrs. Pike!!!

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha:)

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sunkenknife

02/15/2009 09:11PM

take picture and eat

DON'T BURY ME IN A SWEATER, ITS GOING TO BE HOT WERE IM GOING!

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lenich32

02/19/2009 10:21PM

i cant believe i just read all that, nice pike

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612er

02/20/2009 01:11PM

This thread has years to go to catch up to the "20 inch box fan" thread on a popular Minnesota fishing forum.

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schweady

02/20/2009 03:28PM

612: ...yer sayin' that if we slap some Kansas City Royals or unicorn stickers on the side of that monster, then we'd have something...?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." -- Yogi Berra

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silverback

02/21/2009 07:09PM

I'm all for CPR. Now someone tell me how to do that with Ducks & Bucks?

Nice fish! The imortal pike.

Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark too read. Groucho Marx

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Dbldppr1250

02/21/2009 08:42PM

A teacher at my school gave CPR to a turtle one time - successful!

Walking School Bus

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rodstepper

02/22/2009 10:56PM

HOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLYYYYYYYYYYYYYY Explicit word wow man nice

"Its only like one more mile I think"

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Minnesotian

02/24/2009 12:49PM

First: That is a freaking huge fish. Nice catch.

Second: I eat as well as release fish.

Third: I like what bapabear said back on Nov. 21. If I were to ever have the luck to land a monster like this one, more then likely I would be in some remote lake in the Q or The Waters. I would probably be 3 days out from an Entry Point, with a 500 rod portage coming up. Needless to say, getting this dude out of the waters in a timely manner, before it starts rotting, having to fed off bears that would be attracted to the scent and the gulls, as well as lugging it over a portage or 8, would be more effort then I would like.
So, lots of pictures and measurements and send the devil back to whence it came.

"It is more important to live for the possibilities that lie ahead than to die in despair over what has been lost." -Barry Lopez

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P-Slayer

Guest Paddler

06/09/2009 01:32PM

What Would Kanoes Do??

WWKD

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P-Slayer

Guest Paddler

06/09/2009 01:32PM

What Would Kanoes Do??

WWKD

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VoyageurNorth

06/09/2009 08:56PM

Oh my gosh, this fish is "alive" again! (at least in this forum!) :-)

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VoyageurNorth

06/09/2009 08:56PM

Oh my gosh, this fish is "alive" again! (at least in this forum!) :-)

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thlipsis29

06/09/2009 09:50PM

This thing must be some kind of feline northern with nine lives.

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Basspro69

06/09/2009 09:52PM

" I want to know Gods thoughts , The rest are details " Albert Einstein. WWJD

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Basspro69

06/09/2009 09:52PM

" I want to know Gods thoughts , The rest are details " Albert Einstein. WWJD

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Basspro69

06/09/2009 09:54PM

Wow great fish, you can tell that fish has been eating good, ate one minnow to many or should i say ate one taildancer to many !!

" I want to know Gods thoughts , The rest are details " Albert Einstein. WWJD

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old town

06/10/2009 06:28PM

Kind of looks like one of my teachers from Vermillion about 12 years ago.

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old town

06/10/2009 06:28PM

Kind of looks like one of my teachers from Vermillion about 12 years ago.

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Shorelunch

06/10/2009 07:27PM

Nice fish.

Thanks to you I'm now sitting here staring at a spot on the wall. An EMPTY spot on the wall waiting for my sorry a$$ to catch something like that.

It's called fishing, but the fish are a bonus.

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Shorelunch

06/10/2009 07:27PM

Nice fish.

Thanks to you I'm now sitting here staring at a spot on the wall. An EMPTY spot on the wall waiting for my sorry a$$ to catch something like that.

It's called fishing, but the fish are a bonus.

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Shorelunch

06/10/2009 07:34PM

Should I hit "submit" again?

It's called fishing, but the fish are a bonus.

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VoyageurNorth

06/11/2009 01:35AM

Probably not. :-)

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VoyageurNorth

06/11/2009 01:35AM

Probably not. :-)

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chadwick

06/12/2009 09:41PM

tgo,
did they realy find that big dead pike floating in the water? if so could you tell me where? I wan't to go and try to get my jig back :)

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chadwick

06/12/2009 09:41PM

tgo,
did they realy find that big dead pike floating in the water? if so could you tell me where? I wan't to go and try to get my jig back :)

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chadwick

06/12/2009 09:48PM

TGO,
where was the fish found, or were you kidding?
If it was realy found I need to go back and retrieve my lucky jig.

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The Great Outdoors

06/12/2009 10:15PM

Andrew,

I think your lucky jig is in some veterinary clinic.
An otter came in complaining of stomach pains, and x rays showed an intestinal blockage.
Rumor has it the otter is still looking for you after the lucky jig was removed.
I'd recommend getting into the witness protection program and go into hiding until the otter dies of natural causes.

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mc2mens

10/31/2009 12:28AM

Nice fish!

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mc2mens

10/31/2009 12:28AM

nice fish

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Basspro69

10/31/2009 12:21PM

Im for catch and release and replicas, and for my part thats what I will do, and I will let others decide whats best for themselves ! Very Nice Fish!!

" I want to know Gods thoughts , The rest are details " Albert Einstein. WWJD

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thlipsis29

03/12/2010 04:13PM

Given some of the tension that has arisen in the fishing forum over the whole fisheries management thing, I just thought we needed to re-focus ourselves on fishing again, so why not bring back one of our favorite visitors to remember why we're doing this in the first place.

"While Jesus can make you wonderfully happy, he has no intention of making you normal." Erwin McManus

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kanoes

03/12/2010 04:16PM

IT'S ALIVE!

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thlipsis29

03/12/2010 04:19PM

Jesus was resurrected only once; I think this fish is working on its fifth or sixth time. And NO! I don't want to bring religion into the fishing forum :^)

"While Jesus can make you wonderfully happy, he has no intention of making you normal." Erwin McManus

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adventureman

03/12/2010 06:59PM

Wow, nice fish! What kind of line/leader/rod/reel you catch her on?

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thlipsis29

03/12/2010 07:10PM

I wish that was me, but sadly it isn't. Don't think those details were ever mentioned.

"While Jesus can make you wonderfully happy, he has no intention of making you normal." Erwin McManus

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murp0443

03/18/2010 05:31PM

quote chadwick: "its long but pretty skinny. "

Chadwick would make a little Bitch comment with a name like that... CHADWICK!

Why make that type of comment... life must have dealt you a bad hand... Sorry man.

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Jeriatric

03/19/2010 12:09AM

Did I mention that I was present at the time the photo was taken??

The business of life is the acquisition of memories. In the end that's all there is. ___Mr Carson (Downton Abby)

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amhacker22@hotmail.com

03/19/2010 05:27AM

What's next, Murp? Will you bust out the dreaded "I know you are, but what am I" attack? Well done! You really showed him. That was a clever post for a 12 year old.

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wtgmonkey