im considering this . my 1.1 liter soloist is overkill (size) for how i cook. also, i only stove cook.

how "fragile" is titanium? sounds like an oxymoron i know...im talking about deforming when packed, bending.

does it clean up well? if scortched does that come off easily? ill actually be cooking, not just boil and dump.

anything else i should know?

thanks.

Congrats on your LAST TRIP...remarkable,and well done.Any cooking gear that you purchase will be well worth the money.This stuff is light weight as you well no,but it is tough as nails.Do not worry about any bent or broken pieces.I do not see much difference as far as cleaning compared to standard cookware,except it may scratch a little easier.
Titaniuim heats up faster and distributes heat more even,which is great for cooking.In my book,well worth the expensive price tag.I have a great set that I take with me every trip,but I still find myself using my old stainless steel mug for my morning coffee,and noon kool aid.Some habits are hard to break.

thanks for the kind words. it was a special trip for sure.

I have the 700 cup and like it for myself. Water boils very quick with the Pocket Rocket and often use it for rehydrating of sauces or hamburger when more than just me. Can burn if not careful, but most often I’m just heating (boiling) water in it. Have also used over a fire. Not too hard to clean.

I have one ding in my cup that I still don’t know where it came from but has been used hard.

It’ also my coffee cup. I have made a cozy out of the bubble wrap insulation and it makes the coffee stay hot a very long time. I also have a set of the silicon hot lips that are advertised for the 600 mug, but also fit on the 700. Have to be careful as you can burn your lips if not careful.

I have been thinking about getting the 900 so I can still use the 700 for my coffee.

I keep it easy to get it during the winter for a little Sunday morning coffee from time to time while surfing BWCA.com

I have a full set of Ti stuff and love it. As far as bending and such, the only item of mine that does so is a plate (understandably) - pots and cups are quite solid. (And the plate isn't actually bent - just not perfectly flat.) It cleans up very well normally, although if you really burn something on that's a bit of a chore to get off (as with anything else). Then again, you can just leave some char on there since if you can't wash it off it's not really going to come off in future food either. :P Note that manufacturers recommend not using stiff scrubbies on most Ti dishes - just a sponge or washcloth is good.

The Snow Peak stuff is excellent, as is the REI TiWare line. Titanium does have a slightly funky taste that some people don't like which isn't really an issue for cookware or dishes, but noticeable in utensils, so I have 7075-T6 aluminum alloy utensils.
Sea to Summit utensil set

I could post pictures of how my stuff has fared used and abuse if you'd like.

I have and use the Trek Combo,
Strong stuff, not prone to damage, very light weight, but thin, and will hot spot ((burn), easily. Best for boiling. If you want to fry or bake you will need a scorch buster, in the photo is a disk of aluminum I use. It's harder than a stainless pan and can be scrapped clean, or the residue can be burnt off. Photo is after about 30 seconds on an MSR Pocket Rocket full blast! I have dry fried an egg in the lid of this pot on the same stove, just need to be very careful of the temp. I used this pot and lid in the 'Baking a Biscuit' movie I posted. If I want light I use these. If I want to cook anything fussy I take stainless steel.

butthead

PS: after the glowing test, bh

please post tony.

Jan,

I have a snowpeak pot. I bought it for the WC trip. Worked great but I did not do any real cooking. Welcome to use anytime. I think the stuff is good for boiling and some minor cooking. I am not sure how non-stick the stuff is. Sure is light!!

Oh, one other thing - don't bother with titanium for your frying pan. The heat capacity is too low, so it's impossible to heat things evenly. So while the rest is Ti, my real frying pan is nonstick aluminum.

Pics of the Ti stuff on the way.

quote kanoes: "please post tony."

I don't use any of the TI stuff I use hard anodized boiler from gsi. I have heard all the pros and cons listed above and agree with them. I do have a snow peak stove and have to say that they make some great stuff. Make sure you get the lip saver thing for the rim of the mug.

tony

Jan,
Titanium cups and pots heat well for boiling water type stuff. I have a lot of titanium products. The Snow Peak 450, The Snow Peak 600, both are SINGLE WALL cups, they say you don't want to cook in a double wall cup? By the way the 450 goes into the 600 which makes it REALLY nice for packing away, and as mentioned earlier the "hot lips" are nice if drinking out of the cups. I ussually use 450 cup to re-hydrate my hamburger or de-hydrated chicken, and then use the 600 or my MSR 1.3 liter Titanium pot with drain lid for the cooking part.
I also have the snow peak titanium bowls, I grease them up with liquid oil and bake in them on my reflector oven. As butthead says i use a sponge with a scrub side on it and the stuff cleans up REAL well.
I also do NOT like titanium to fry stuff in. It does not heat even enough and I use an old aluminum fry pan if I am going to fry something. The stuff is tougher then nails and you are not going to bend it up. It is light weight, and bullet proof in my book.
SunCatcher

Titanium Cup 450 and Titanium Bowl (you could cook in bowl also if you wanted)

The Pan is the MSR 1.3 liter pan

I have the same one that you linked and I really like it. You will need to get the silicone hot lips if you use it for drinking coffee. I like the fact that you can use it for the stove or fire grate. As far as your question on being fragile, SnoPeak uses recycled Titanium from old submarines. It is light and very strong. It dissipates heat faster that most metals but watch out on the first sip of hot coffee, get the hot lips to solve that problem. It has rounded corners for cleaning food off. If I would compare to another metal for cooking it would be a step above Aluminum. Use a scorch buster or stir often. I liked it so much I bought the Titanium mess kit with the squishy bowl. Do not get the double wall mug/pot if you intend to cook with, they are only made for drinking from not cooking. I put my fuel bottle, 1.7 oz Titanium stove and a Titanium spork in that pot and thats all you need.

Good question Jan. I have often wondered the same thing. All I have really heard is titanium will burn your lips - get the covered tit cup.

ill still have a seperate mug for drinks.

All right, album uploaded.
My cookware

i gave up on the fry pan too,it gets a hot spot and burns food fast.i had problems cleaning it,that years old burn mark is still there!
i just use a pot for water boiling now.it's tough stuff but the weight savings does not seem to be worth it for canoe trips.

I have a Snow Peak 600ml Ti pot that I love. My stove and the smaller isobutane canister fit perfectly inside- making for a complete compact and light cook kit for short trips. I made a lid out of an aluminum pie plate that I cut a little bigger than the circumfrence of the pot so I can fold the edges over the lip of the pot to hold it on. I also have a Snow Peak Ti spork which I absolutely love. Have never had an issue with a funny taste or feel in my mouth.

$ $ $ $ $ $.....is it worth it? I'm down with teflon coated aluminum. Just my $0.02.

quote tonyyarusso: "All right, album uploaded.
My cookware "

Holy Titanium Tony, that is a very nice set of cookware.

Indeed - I've been pretty tickled with it. :)

quote AndySG: "$ $ $ $ $ $.....is it worth it? I'm down with teflon coated aluminum. Just my $0.02."

I'm digging my teflon coated aluminum fry pan!
Everything else is stainless.
I did recently buy a big old aluminum camping mess kit. Late 1960's/early 1970's vintage. To big I think for the bdub but I will give it a try. The guy I bought it from over the summer is now retired. He guided groups to the Bdub for about 40 years. He said that kit went with on nearly every group trip he could remember. Most groups were always 8 or 9 people and he would do about 3 or 4 a year. Looking forward to taking it back. At least once.

quote Savage Voyageur: "

quote tonyyarusso: "All right, album uploaded.
My cookware "

Holy Titanium Tony, that is a very nice set of cookware. "

Very nice set-up Tony. Take all of it on a trip? For how many people?

quote fitgers1: "Very nice set-up Tony. Take all of it on a trip? For how many people?"

Not usually, no. Most of the time I'm solo, and for that I usually take two of the three smaller pots, one or two of the cups, and all of the rest. All three pots usually go with a partner, and the big pot is good for more than that.

I also have a set of aluminum stuff that pre-dates the Ti gear and now serves as a backup and supplemental, plus some other knick-knacks. I should probably post those too. :P

Added pics of the non-Ti stuff for anyone who was curious.

Jan, Seems to me that the Snow Peak mug would be a little small to cook in, I think just boil and dump. If going with Ti-stuff is your idea I would look at some of the new Jetboil products. I haven't used any of there new stuff, but I sure love my original Jetboil. Much more fuel efficient I believe than other stoves. I boil 24 ounces at a time 12 oz. for hot drink,and 12oz. for a mountain house meal, instant potatoes, or oatmeal. Not designed for cooking, but I think if you were to keep your water level down to 16 Oz. you could easily simmer something with it.

quote wetcanoedog: "...it's tough stuff but the weight savings does not seem to be worth it for canoe trips."

i agree. sticking with my solist afterall.

I agree too. I've been shaving weight but so far am sticking with my existing MSR cookware which is anodized aluminum. I note that antigravitygear.com (guess what their goal is) sells both aluminum and titanium. I do, however, love my titanium spork but I just like its shape better than the plastic ones.

Ti is PERFECT for 1) eating off of and 2) boiling water in.

Don't try to 'cook' in it.... Ti doesn't have the right properties for cooking (poor heat distribution). But I always take my Snowpeak plates and cups along. Very nice stuff.

I don't know a lot about titanium cookware specifically, but back when I built race car engines I used a lot of titanium. It's almost the end-all material, light, tremendous strength in tension, shear, compression, it's only real drawback is abrasion resistance. As far as cookware goes, the thing I've heard people bitch about is the porous surface, and I know that's a characteristic of the material. Makes it harder to clean, and also more critical that you DO get it clean, since there's all kinda little nooks and crannies for bacteria to hide in. As others have indicated it's not perfect but for weight saving it's gonna be hard to beat.

I agree with Franzenrp get a jetboil and never look back. It is a great soloist kit. If you want to borrow mine before you buy you are more than welcome. I burn my lips on my Ti stuff.

quote SunCatcher: "Jan,
Titanium cups and pots heat well for boiling water type stuff. I have a lot of titanium products. The Snow Peak 450, The Snow Peak 600, both are SINGLE WALL cups, they say you don't want to cook in a double wall cup? By the way the 450 goes into the 600 which makes it REALLY nice for packing away, and as mentioned earlier the "hot lips" are nice if drinking out of the cups. I ussually use 450 cup to re-hydrate my hamburger or de-hydrated chicken, and then use the 600 or my MSR 1.3 liter Titanium pot with drain lid for the cooking part.
I also have the snow peak titanium bowls, I grease them up with liquid oil and bake in them on my reflector oven. As butthead says i use a sponge with a scrub side on it and the stuff cleans up REAL well.
I also do NOT like titanium to fry stuff in. It does not heat even enough and I use an old aluminum fry pan if I am going to fry something. The stuff is tougher then nails and you are not going to bend it up. It is light weight, and bullet proof in my book.
SunCatcher


Titanium Cup 450 and Titanium Bowl (you could cook in bowl also if you wanted)


The Pan is the MSR 1.3 liter pan"

SunCAtcher, What do you use for your wind shield. I have not had a lot of luck with these in the past. They never last long.

@ scout64
The wind deflector is a primus (old brunton heat wind screen)
click on link It folds up to little of nothing! I like that.
SunCatcher
Wind Screen