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adam
Moderator
  
11/23/2004 01:20PM  
So what is on your Christmas wish list for outdoor gear? I might look at getting an new pack this year. But more than anything I am just hoping to make it in to the BW for a loop or two in 2005.
 
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bogwalker
Moderator
  
11/23/2004 01:42PM  
10x12 CCS tarp
new MSR stove
more moisture wicking clothing
a seliga wood/canvas canoe-does not hurt to dream big.
 
prairieaug
senior member (99)senior membersenior member
  
11/23/2004 03:41PM  
Vexilar FL8
 
oldjack
Guest Paddler
  
11/28/2004 11:06PM  
Christmas(December 25th) isn't even Jesus' birthday. In fact even if it was, he never once told his disciples or anyone else to celebrate it. I understand some just use it as a reason to get together with the family and buy everyone gifts. But it's sad that it is the only, or one of the only times of year when that happens with many families. If you really love your friends and family then show your generosity all year, not using "Christmas" as an excuse to buy and get gifts.
 
prairieaug
senior member (99)senior membersenior member
  
11/29/2004 09:47AM  
Bah! Humbug!
 
bogwalker
Moderator
  
11/29/2004 10:23AM  
Old Jack-You make an assumption that we do not use the year to love our friend and share our generosity except at Christmas.

I can not speak for all, but I do give all year long. I volunteer at church and in my community, I love my family and friends and spend time with them rejoicing in our friendship all year long. I respect Christmas for what it is-a time for us to celebrate the birth of Jesus.

I understand that December 25th is not his official birthday and that Jesus never expected it to be what it has become. I also know the church itself has made the 25th the day it is and business has made it the retail event it is.

I spend the time surrounding Christmas with my family and friends to celebrate Jesus birth and I enjoy the family time it allows. The gifts and giving are a secondary part, but the tradition surrounding it is engraned in our life and will not change.

I am not disagreeing with you on one point. Many have lost site of what Christmas is all about. But be careful that you don't include everyone in that camp. Most people I know understand the difference between the gift-giving, retail bonanza and the celebration itself.

Bring on the Lefse!!!
 
Arkansas Man
Moderator
  
11/29/2004 12:34PM  
OldJack,
I too agree with what Bog says, Many people have comercialized Christmas to a great extent, and that saddens me. But, While it may not be the exact day or time of Jesus birth... It gives us an opportunity to gather together in a common bond of love with those who believe as we do... and celebrate the birth of our Savior. I also agreed that presents are not the reason for Christmas... those of us that have family give all year long... not just gifts, or money, but improtant things like love and personal time.
My Christmas this year is going to be very special to me... I am getting married on Dec. 17th to a wonderful woman, and she is giving me 4 wonderful children... (ages 11, 13, 15, 17) who will get to celebrate Christmas this year for the first time... (Their previous father did not believe in it) And their Christmas wish?? nothing more than for us to be a family, in our house, together!!! Presents, while there will be some given in the traditional manner, it will not be the focus of the celebration... what will be the focus is the love we all have for each other... Along with a big breakfast, and then hot chocolate in front of the fireplace in our new home... or maybe out around the BWCA firepit we will have in the backyard!! :-)
So Old Jack, I along with Bog and the rest of the people on this board wish you a Merry Christmas, and may you and yours be blessed this Holiday Season, by the Father that watches over us all, all the time!!!

Bruce
 
Arkansas Man
Moderator
  
11/29/2004 01:02PM  
oh by the way... my Christmas wish is for a good wooden paddle, either bent or straight shaft... and/or a down sleeping bag... Oh, and a great first BWCA trip next year for my new family and I.

Bruce
 
mikemc314
member (48)member
  
11/29/2004 09:55PM  
First on my list: Health and happiness for my family and friends.

Gear: 45 degree synthetic bag, Kelty Light-year (no need for a hot
sleeper to carry a 15 degree bag in July), also an extra bag for
nubies.
10' by 12' nylon tarp. (My cheap blue tarp ripped in a storm
and had a few burn holes, included in picture)
I was convinced to get Chotas Quetico with the sock gaiter.

Lastly, a pack axe for splitting wood.
MTM

 
oldjack
Guest Paddler
  
11/30/2004 10:55AM  
Just remember that Jesus wanted us to memorize his death and what it gave us, not his birthday. And by involving yourself in such holidays that are full of lies and even pagan origin is really going against everything Jesus taught and told us, everything he stands for. If Jesus was still here on Earth, do you think he would really allow and approve of humans celebrating this holiday in his name? Don't get me wrong, it is great that you love your family and friends and want to show it. It just doesn't seem right that many use a false holiday based on Jesus to do so. I come on this website to read about and wet my appetite for the Boundary Waters, a beautiful land that Jesus helped create, not about what everyone wants to get for his so called birthday.
 
OldGoat
distinguished member (170)distinguished memberdistinguished memberdistinguished member
  
11/30/2004 05:31PM  
My Christmas list is generally a list of things I want to upgrade - since I have been doing this long enough to have at least one of everything I have to have. This year I'm thinking the stove could use upgrading. I do primarily solo trips - so I added a 'solo cooker' called a Jet Boil to the list. My son starts a part time job at a gear store tomorrow - so maybe I get a discount???

May you prosper - and be in good health!
-- Goat
 
jonwood
Guest Paddler
  
11/30/2004 06:45PM  
relax jack...respect and to each his own...happy holidays to all!
 
prairieaug
senior member (99)senior membersenior member
  
12/01/2004 08:09AM  
I understand oldjack's point but don't think things will change. If you really want to get the feeling of what this season is all about please read the following story. I like to read it to my family this time of year. Grab a kleenex and proceed.....

A Christmas Story

by Rian B. Anderson


Pa never had much compassion for the lazy or those who quandered
their means and then never had enough for the necessities.But for
those who were genuinely in need, his heart was as big as all
outdoors. It was from him that I learned the greatest joy in life comes from giving, not from receiving.
It was Christmas Eve 1881. I was fifteen years old and feeling like the world had caved in on me because there just hadn't been enough money to buy me the rifle that I'd wanted so bad that year for
Christmas. We did the chores early that night for some reason. I just figured Pa wanted a little extra time so we could read in the Bible. So after supper was over I took my boots off and stretched out in front of the fireplace and waited for Pa to get down the old Bible. I was still feeling sorry for myself and, to be honest, I wasn't in much of a mood to read scriptures.
But Pa didn't get the Bible, instead he bundled up and went outside. I couldn't figure it out because we had already done all the chores. I didn't worry about it long though, I was too busy wallowing in self-pity.
Soon Pa came back in. It was a cold clear night out and there was ice in his beard. "Come on, Matt," he said. "Bundle up good, it's cold out tonight." I was really upset then. Not only wasn't I getting the rifle for Christmas, now Pa was dragging me out in the cold, and for no earthly reason that I could see. As I said, we'd already done all the chores, and I couldn't think of anything else that needed doing, especially not on a night like this. But I knew Pa was not very patient at one dragging one's feet when he'd told them to do something, so I got up and put my boots back on
and got my cap, coat, and mittens. Ma gave me a mysterious smile as I opened the door to leave the house. Something was up, but I didn't know what. Outside, I became even more dismayed. There in front of the house was the work team, already hitched to the big sled. Whatever it was we were going to do wasn't going to be a short, quick, little job. I could tell. We never hitched up the big sled unless we were going to haul a big load.
Pa was already up on the seat, reins in hand. I reluctantly climbed up beside him. The cold was already biting at me. I wasn't happy. When I was on, Pa pulled the sled around the house and stopped in front of the woodshed. He got off and I followed. "I think we'll
put on the high sideboards," he said. "Here, help me." The high
sideboards! It had been a bigger job than I wanted to do with just
the low sideboards on, but whatever it was we were going to do would
be a lot bigger with the high sideboards on.
When we had exchanged the sideboards Pa went into the woodshed and came out with an armload of wood---the wood I'd spent all summer
hauling down from the mountain, and then all fall sawing into blocks
and splitting. What was he doing? Finally I said mething. "Pa," I asked, "what are you doing?" "You been by the Widow Jensen's lately?" he asked. The Widow Jensen lived about two miles down the road. Her husband had died a year or so before and left her with three children, the oldest being eight. Sure, I'd been by, but so what? "Yeah," I said, "why?" "I rode by just today," Pa "Little Jakey was out digging around in the woodpile trying to find a few chips. They're out of wood, Matt." That was all he said and then he turned and went back into the woodshed for another armload of wood. I followed him.
We loaded the sled so high that I began to wonder if the horses would be able to pull it. Finally, Pa called a halt to our loading, then we went to the smoke house and Pa took down a big ham and a side of bacon. He handed them to me and told me to put them in the sled and wait. When he returned he was carrying a sack of flour over his
right shoulder and a smaller sack of something in his left hand.
"What's in the little sack?" I asked. "Shoes. They're out of shoes. Little Jakey just had gunny sacks wrapped around his feet when he was out in the wood-pile this morning. I got the children a little candy too. It just wouldn't be Christmas without a little candy."
We rode the two miles to Widow Jensen's pretty much in silence. I tried to think through what Pa was doing. We didn't have much by worldly standards. Of course, we did have a big woodpile, though most of what was left now was still in the form of logs that I would have to saw into blocks and split before we could use it. We also had meat and flour, so we could spare that, but I knew we didn't have any money, so why was Pa buying them shoes and candy? Really, why was he doing any of this? Widow Jensen had closer neighbors than us. It shouldn't have been our concern.
We came in from the blind side of the Jensen house and unloaded the wood as quietly as possible, then we took the meat and flour and shoes to the door. We knocked. The door opened a crack and a timid voice said, "Who is it?" "Lucas Miles, Ma'am, and my son, Matt. Could we come in for a bit?" Widow Jensen opened the door and let us in. She had a blanket wrapped around her shoulders. The children were wrapped in another and were sitting in front of the fireplace by a very small fire that hardly gave off any heat at all.
Widow Jensen fumbled with a match and finally lit the lamp. "We
brought you a few things, Ma'am," Pa said and set down the sack of
flour. I put the meat on the table. Then Pa handed her the sack
that had the shoes in it. She opened it hesitantly and took the
shoes out one pair at a time. There was a pair for her and one for
each of the children---sturdy shoes, the best, shoes that would last.
I watched her carefully. She bit her lower lip to keep it from
trembling and then tears filled her eyes and started running down her
cheeks. She looked up at Pa like she wanted to say something, but it
wouldn't come out.
"We brought a load of wood too, Ma'am," Pa said, then he turned to me and said, "Matt, go bring enough in to last for awhile. Let's get that fire up to size and heat this place up."
I wasn't the same person when I went back out to bring in the wood. I had a big lump in my throat and, much as I hate to admit it, there were tears in my eyes too. In my mind I kept seeing those three kids huddled around the fireplace and their mother standing there with tears running down her cheeks and so much gratitude in her heart that she couldn't speak. My heart swelled within me and a joy filled my soul that I'd never known before. I had given at Christmas many times before, but never when it had made so much difference.
I could see we were literally saving the lives of these people. I soon had the fire blazing and everyone's spirits soared. The kids started giggling when Pa handed them each a piece of candy and Widow Jensen looked on with a smile that probably hadn't crossed her face for a long time. She finally turned to us. "God bless you," she said. "I know the Lord himself has sent you. The children and I have been praying that he would send one of his angels to spare us." In spite of myself, the lump returned to my throat and the tears
welled up in my eyes again. I'd never thought of Pa in those exact
terms before, but after Widow Jensen mentioned it I could see that it
was probably true. I was sure that a better man than Pa had never
walked the earth. I started remembering all the times he had gone out
of his way for Ma and me, and many others. The list seemed endless
as I thought on it.
Pa insisted that everyone try on the shoes before we left. I was
amazed when they all fit and I wondered how he had known what sizes
to get. Then I guessed that if he was on an errand for the Lord that
the Lord would make sure he got the right sizes.
Tears were running down Widow Jensen's face again when we stood up to leave. Pa took each of the kids in his big arms and gave them a hug. They clung to him and didn't want us to go. I could see that they missed their pa, and I was glad that I still had mine.
At the door Pa turned to Widow Jensen and said, "The Mrs. wanted me to invite you and the children over for Christmas dinner tomorrow. The turkey will be more than the three of us can eat, and a man can get cantankerous if he has to eat turkey for too many meals. We'll be by to get you about eleven. It'll be nice to have some little ones around again. Matt, here, hasn't been little for quite a spell." I was the youngest. My two older brothers and two older sisters were all married and had moved away. Widow Jensen nodded and said, "Thank you, Brother Miles. I don't have to say, 'May the Lord bless you,' I know for certain that He will."
Out on the sled I felt a warmth that came from deep within and I
didn't even notice the cold. When we had gone a ways, Pa turned to
me and said, "Matt, I want you to know something. Your ma and me have
been tucking a little money away here and there all year so we could
buy that rifle for you, but we didn't have quite enough. Then
yesterday a man who owed me a little money from years back came by to
make things square. Your ma and me were real excited, thinking that
now we could get you that rifle, and I started into town this morning
to do just that. But on the way I saw little Jakey out scratching in
the woodpile with his feet wrapped in those gunny sacks and I knew
what I had to do. So, Son, I spent the money for shoes and a little
candy for those children. I hope you understand."
I understood, and my eyes became wet with tears again. I understood very well, and I was so glad Pa had done it. Just then the rifle seemed very low on my list of priorities. Pa had given me a lot more. He had given me the look on Widow Jensen's face and the radiant smiles of her three children.
For the rest of my life, whenever I saw any of the Jensens, or split a block of wood, I remembered, and remembering brought back that same joy I felt riding home beside Pa that night. Pa had given me much more than a rifle that night, he had given me the best Christmas of my life.
 
TR
senior member (71)senior membersenior member
  
12/01/2004 10:45AM  
Aug,

I hope you don't mind that I copied and pasted that story so that I can send it to some folks I work with on the railroad.

Thanks

TR
 
Arkansas Man
Moderator
  
12/01/2004 12:28PM  
Good Story Aug...

Bruce
 
prairieaug
senior member (99)senior membersenior member
  
12/02/2004 12:07AM  
TR,

I don't mind it being copied because I did and I hope it gets copied...& copied....& copied....and shared!. It really captures and relays what it is all about........don't you think? When I read this story to my wife and daughters (usually the week of Christmas - night before is best) I just plop a box of Kleenex on the coffee table and we all grab a handful.

Happy Holidays folks, I enjoy our interactions.
To clarify....sometimes my comments may appear to be off the wall. I look at life through rose colored glasses and add my blend of humor to comments. I have a cynical view but a deep down love for our shared interests, and humanity. I don't actually hug trees, but I think most of them are pretty good looking.

God Bless

Aug
 
nugget_130
member (6)member
  
12/03/2004 08:25AM  
Back to the gear topic. I have the MSR Windpro stove on my list and I am sure I will buy myself some gifts too.
Remember this is the gear forum!
 
imgrizzly
distinguished member (135)distinguished memberdistinguished memberdistinguished member
  
12/03/2004 10:33PM  
If I'm going to wish I'll wish big! "Bell Merlin Black Gold" Don't know if I've been that!! good.
 
bowgirl96
member (36)member
  
12/04/2004 12:52PM  
I'm hoping for a pair of steger mukluks and a new skijoring set of my own for christmas. maybe some new long johns too! I really enjoyed that story it was wonderful, thank you.
casey
 
prairieaug
senior member (99)senior membersenior member
  
11/30/2005 09:43PM  
That time of year to remember the story I posted last year...

A Christmas Story

by Rian B. Anderson


Pa never had much compassion for the lazy or those who quandered
their means and then never had enough for the necessities.But for
those who were genuinely in need, his heart was as big as all
outdoors. It was from him that I learned the greatest joy in life comes from giving, not from receiving.
It was Christmas Eve 1881. I was fifteen years old and feeling like the world had caved in on me because there just hadn't been enough money to buy me the rifle that I'd wanted so bad that year for
Christmas. We did the chores early that night for some reason. I just figured Pa wanted a little extra time so we could read in the Bible. So after supper was over I took my boots off and stretched out in front of the fireplace and waited for Pa to get down the old Bible. I was still feeling sorry for myself and, to be honest, I wasn't in much of a mood to read scriptures.
But Pa didn't get the Bible, instead he bundled up and went outside. I couldn't figure it out because we had already done all the chores. I didn't worry about it long though, I was too busy wallowing in self-pity.
Soon Pa came back in. It was a cold clear night out and there was ice in his beard. "Come on, Matt," he said. "Bundle up good, it's cold out tonight." I was really upset then. Not only wasn't I getting the rifle for Christmas, now Pa was dragging me out in the cold, and for no earthly reason that I could see. As I said, we'd already done all the chores, and I couldn't think of anything else that needed doing, especially not on a night like this. But I knew Pa was not very patient at one dragging one's feet when he'd told them to do something, so I got up and put my boots back on
and got my cap, coat, and mittens. Ma gave me a mysterious smile as I opened the door to leave the house. Something was up, but I didn't know what. Outside, I became even more dismayed. There in front of the house was the work team, already hitched to the big sled. Whatever it was we were going to do wasn't going to be a short, quick, little job. I could tell. We never hitched up the big sled unless we were going to haul a big load.
Pa was already up on the seat, reins in hand. I reluctantly climbed up beside him. The cold was already biting at me. I wasn't happy. When I was on, Pa pulled the sled around the house and stopped in front of the woodshed. He got off and I followed. "I think we'll
put on the high sideboards," he said. "Here, help me." The high
sideboards! It had been a bigger job than I wanted to do with just
the low sideboards on, but whatever it was we were going to do would
be a lot bigger with the high sideboards on.
When we had exchanged the sideboards Pa went into the woodshed and came out with an armload of wood---the wood I'd spent all summer
hauling down from the mountain, and then all fall sawing into blocks
and splitting. What was he doing? Finally I said mething. "Pa," I asked, "what are you doing?" "You been by the Widow Jensen's lately?" he asked. The Widow Jensen lived about two miles down the road. Her husband had died a year or so before and left her with three children, the oldest being eight. Sure, I'd been by, but so what? "Yeah," I said, "why?" "I rode by just today," Pa "Little Jakey was out digging around in the woodpile trying to find a few chips. They're out of wood, Matt." That was all he said and then he turned and went back into the woodshed for another armload of wood. I followed him.
We loaded the sled so high that I began to wonder if the horses would be able to pull it. Finally, Pa called a halt to our loading, then we went to the smoke house and Pa took down a big ham and a side of bacon. He handed them to me and told me to put them in the sled and wait. When he returned he was carrying a sack of flour over his
right shoulder and a smaller sack of something in his left hand.
"What's in the little sack?" I asked. "Shoes. They're out of shoes. Little Jakey just had gunny sacks wrapped around his feet when he was out in the wood-pile this morning. I got the children a little candy too. It just wouldn't be Christmas without a little candy."
We rode the two miles to Widow Jensen's pretty much in silence. I tried to think through what Pa was doing. We didn't have much by worldly standards. Of course, we did have a big woodpile, though most of what was left now was still in the form of logs that I would have to saw into blocks and split before we could use it. We also had meat and flour, so we could spare that, but I knew we didn't have any money, so why was Pa buying them shoes and candy? Really, why was he doing any of this? Widow Jensen had closer neighbors than us. It shouldn't have been our concern.
We came in from the blind side of the Jensen house and unloaded the wood as quietly as possible, then we took the meat and flour and shoes to the door. We knocked. The door opened a crack and a timid voice said, "Who is it?" "Lucas Miles, Ma'am, and my son, Matt. Could we come in for a bit?" Widow Jensen opened the door and let us in. She had a blanket wrapped around her shoulders. The children were wrapped in another and were sitting in front of the fireplace by a very small fire that hardly gave off any heat at all.
Widow Jensen fumbled with a match and finally lit the lamp. "We
brought you a few things, Ma'am," Pa said and set down the sack of
flour. I put the meat on the table. Then Pa handed her the sack
that had the shoes in it. She opened it hesitantly and took the
shoes out one pair at a time. There was a pair for her and one for
each of the children---sturdy shoes, the best, shoes that would last.
I watched her carefully. She bit her lower lip to keep it from
trembling and then tears filled her eyes and started running down her
cheeks. She looked up at Pa like she wanted to say something, but it
wouldn't come out.
"We brought a load of wood too, Ma'am," Pa said, then he turned to me and said, "Matt, go bring enough in to last for awhile. Let's get that fire up to size and heat this place up."
I wasn't the same person when I went back out to bring in the wood. I had a big lump in my throat and, much as I hate to admit it, there were tears in my eyes too. In my mind I kept seeing those three kids huddled around the fireplace and their mother standing there with tears running down her cheeks and so much gratitude in her heart that she couldn't speak. My heart swelled within me and a joy filled my soul that I'd never known before. I had given at Christmas many times before, but never when it had made so much difference.
I could see we were literally saving the lives of these people. I soon had the fire blazing and everyone's spirits soared. The kids started giggling when Pa handed them each a piece of candy and Widow Jensen looked on with a smile that probably hadn't crossed her face for a long time. She finally turned to us. "God bless you," she said. "I know the Lord himself has sent you. The children and I have been praying that he would send one of his angels to spare us." In spite of myself, the lump returned to my throat and the tears
welled up in my eyes again. I'd never thought of Pa in those exact
terms before, but after Widow Jensen mentioned it I could see that it
was probably true. I was sure that a better man than Pa had never
walked the earth. I started remembering all the times he had gone out
of his way for Ma and me, and many others. The list seemed endless
as I thought on it.
Pa insisted that everyone try on the shoes before we left. I was
amazed when they all fit and I wondered how he had known what sizes
to get. Then I guessed that if he was on an errand for the Lord that
the Lord would make sure he got the right sizes.
Tears were running down Widow Jensen's face again when we stood up to leave. Pa took each of the kids in his big arms and gave them a hug. They clung to him and didn't want us to go. I could see that they missed their pa, and I was glad that I still had mine.
At the door Pa turned to Widow Jensen and said, "The Mrs. wanted me to invite you and the children over for Christmas dinner tomorrow. The turkey will be more than the three of us can eat, and a man can get cantankerous if he has to eat turkey for too many meals. We'll be by to get you about eleven. It'll be nice to have some little ones around again. Matt, here, hasn't been little for quite a spell." I was the youngest. My two older brothers and two older sisters were all married and had moved away. Widow Jensen nodded and said, "Thank you, Brother Miles. I don't have to say, 'May the Lord bless you,' I know for certain that He will."
Out on the sled I felt a warmth that came from deep within and I
didn't even notice the cold. When we had gone a ways, Pa turned to
me and said, "Matt, I want you to know something. Your ma and me have
been tucking a little money away here and there all year so we could
buy that rifle for you, but we didn't have quite enough. Then
yesterday a man who owed me a little money from years back came by to
make things square. Your ma and me were real excited, thinking that
now we could get you that rifle, and I started into town this morning
to do just that. But on the way I saw little Jakey out scratching in
the woodpile with his feet wrapped in those gunny sacks and I knew
what I had to do. So, Son, I spent the money for shoes and a little
candy for those children. I hope you understand."
I understood, and my eyes became wet with tears again. I understood very well, and I was so glad Pa had done it. Just then the rifle seemed very low on my list of priorities. Pa had given me a lot more. He had given me the look on Widow Jensen's face and the radiant smiles of her three children.
For the rest of my life, whenever I saw any of the Jensens, or split a block of wood, I remembered, and remembering brought back that same joy I felt riding home beside Pa that night. Pa had given me much more than a rifle that night, he had given me the best Christmas of my life.
 
TR
senior member (71)senior membersenior member
  
12/01/2005 09:57AM  
Stop it with that cock-a-mamie story, you've got me crying at work.

TR
 
Beemer01
Moderator
  
12/01/2005 01:54PM  
What was the original question? I forgot.

 
kclamken
senior member (86)senior membersenior member
  
12/05/2005 02:25AM  
I would like completed homework and exam answers (oh and a general understanding of the material) for the following classes:

ATM 643 Precipitation Physics and Cloud Modification
Geol 621 Advanced Structural Geology
Geol 542 Optical Petrology
ATM 450 Synoptic Meteorology

Thats all I ask, think Santa can deliver?

Kevin
 
Arkansas Man
Moderator
  
12/05/2005 07:05AM  
KC,
All I can say is good luck!!!!

Bruce
 
12/05/2005 09:01AM  
I'm on the same page as KC, until this project i'm working on for school is done I'm not thinking about much else, um.....that might not be the complete truth see my other posts. lol.

Was wondering if this thread needs to be started over for the '05 Christmas season.
 
smee
Guest Paddler
  
12/05/2005 11:23AM  
http://www.bearislandland.com/data1151.html

This is all I want for Christmas!
 
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