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starwatcher
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01/11/2007 06:52AM  
Has anyone heard if they are requiring passport IDs for RABC's this coming year? I've heard that Canada is requiring passports for normal border crossings.
 
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wildernessfan
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01/11/2007 07:40AM  
I beleive that requirement got delayed until next year 2008.
Beemer01
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01/11/2007 08:54AM  
Here's the current link.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/pdf/pub/CANPASS.PDF
starwatcher
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01/12/2007 09:08PM  
Thanks, I hope that holds true for the coming season.
Wiscon sniper
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02/12/2007 11:32AM  
Just got my RABC permit Saturday, copys of birth certificate and drivers licence did the trick.

Geezerboy
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02/12/2007 06:13PM  
I thought you only needed a passport to get back IN to the US. I believe Canada could care less about your Passport.
VoyageurNorth
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02/14/2007 11:45PM  
True, but the RABC process goes faster (I think) if you have the passport info too.
Dodger
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04/07/2007 11:12AM  
All , Are there other permits required to enter Canada besides the RABC permit. I heard there is. Thoughts , Dodger.
Trygve
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04/09/2007 06:04AM  
To enter, No.

To camp, yes.

If you're in the Quetico you need the Quetico permit.

If you're Outside the Quetico you need Crown Lands.
Dodger
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04/09/2007 11:15AM  
So if I am camping in US and just entering Canadian waters I only need a RABC permit. Thanks , Dodger
bogwalker
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04/09/2007 12:04PM  
If you are only using the border lakes like Lac La Croix, Crooked, Saganaga etc you do not need an RABC to paddle on the Canadian side. Those lakes are free for all to use no matter which side you started from. The portages for those lakes are also free to use without an RABC even if they go over Canadian soil-example Lowwer Basswood Falls portages are on Canadian soil-you do not need an RABC top use that portage or one like Bottle Portage from Lac La Croix.

If you intend to go into a lake completely within Canada and not just a border lake you will need an RABC and a day permit for Quetico.
Trygve
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04/09/2007 12:12PM  
Same thing over here in the East.

But a little different.

You can paddle where ever you wish, but you cannot get out onto Canadia without an RABC.

If you want to camp in Canada, but outside the Quetico, you need A Crown Land Camping Permit.
04/09/2007 02:31PM  
"So if I am camping in US and just entering Canadian waters I only need a RABC permit. Thanks , Dodger"

I think you posted earlier (maybe I'm confusing you some other poster though??) that you intended to fish as well---still need an Ontario fishing license and a day permit into quetico.

If you are traveling border waters----Crooked for example you are fine without anything probably fishing any of the shared water, but lets say you want to venture up to Gardner Bay to fish---then you need the RABC and the fishing license and technically the Quetico Day permit. The rangers will check for the permit and the license I've never had them check for RABC--that is immigration most of the time. If you get checked for the RABC and you don't have it--I think that is a big deal, but you are less like;ly to get checked FYI.

Just use your comon sense---if you can tell EASILY that you are in Quetico then so can the Rangers, if it isn't so obvious they aren't going to hassle you.

Tim

Tim
Arkansas Man
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04/09/2007 02:59PM  
There has been quite a bit of conversation about this before and I know I posted several examples of methods you can use to camp in the US and daytrip into the Quetico... For about $130 - $150 a year.

RABC - $25.00
Quetico Yearly pass - $75.00
Quetico Fishing License - $24.00 for a week
These were last year prices... they may have gone up!

Bruce
bogwalker
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04/09/2007 03:00PM  
If you are fishing the border lakes (Crooked, Lac La Croix, Basswood, Ottertrack etc ) you need the fishing license for the proper country.

For example-If you are fishing near the pictos on Lac La Croix, and thus you are in Canadian waters, you better have a Canadian license and not be using any bait or tackle that the Canadians do not allow. You do not need an RABC or day permit on the border lakes but you do need a license.

It is confusing, so check with your outfitter regarding your exact plans when it comes to doing anything on Canadian water and/or soil.
04/09/2007 04:06PM  
Hey Arkansas Man when you got the yearly Quetico day pass was that just for you or could it include your whole family ( ie. wife, kids as well).

Tim
Dodger
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04/10/2007 06:03AM  
To bogwalker , If we are camping on US side and traveling to Moose Bay in Canada would that be considered a border lake? I know I would need a Canadian fishing license but what about the permits. My outfitter wasnt even sure. Dodger
bogwalker
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04/10/2007 07:03AM  
I also am a bit nervous about saying it is OK to go into Moose Bay off of the Basswood River/Crooked Lake. I believe that is where you are talking about.

It seems removed enough with a possible short portage to get into it off the river that it would be considered totally within Canada and not part of a border lake. Because you need to paddle a river and cross a possible short portage my assumption is you would need a Quetico day use permit.

I guess I would send the Quetico Park rangers an e-mail asking the question to be sure. They can be reached at Quetico Feedback
Arkansas Man
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04/10/2007 07:12AM  
It is what they call a Vehicle Pass... can be used for Cars, canoes, and whatever you are on or in... so I suppose whatever is in your canoe is covered. At least that is what they told me when I called them. If a person lived nearby and wanted to camp in the US and daytrip into the Q, it is the way to go, otherwise you have to go to a Ranger station and get a day permit each time you go in... You can research it on the CanPass website.

Bruce
Trygve
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04/10/2007 07:19AM  
You can pay the fines with a Credit Card... So I always bring one in to Canada regardless of if I have all the permits needed.

Just a thought...
MooseTrack
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04/10/2007 07:20AM  
Moose Bay is in CN and across the border, therefore you need an RABC, Day use or overnight camping permit and Ontario fishing licence (if fishing)... I had a customer, last year, recieve a ticket because they were "according to the CN border patrol's GPS" 5 feet across the line. This was in the vicinity of Moose Bay and cost them each a hefty fine for not having a fishing licence or day use permit.
Trygve
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04/10/2007 07:35AM  
Haha...

Everytime I've been stopped by the Canadians they whip out their GPS and show me the line.

Winter and Summer.
bogwalker
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04/10/2007 08:03AM  
Thanks Moose Track-you confirmed what I suspected. Its great having outfitters frequent the board!!!

How thick is the ice up there?? I hope it starts warming up-everyone assumed ice would be out by Mid-April. Starting to look like it may be closer to normal ice out dates than first thought. Let us know-many of us have trips in early May.
Arkansas Man
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04/10/2007 08:45AM  
Hey Moosetracks,
Good to see you on the board and I enjoyed meeting you last summer!

Now back to the Question at hand...
Last year I had planned to enter at Entry Point #16 and camp on the US side of Iron Lake, and day trip into the Q, until I met my friends who were coming in 5 days later... So I purchased a Yearly Vehicle Pass (for my canoe and unlimited day trips for the year... which I did not get to use once) I already had a RABC, and I purchased a 7 day Quetico Fishing license so I was legal all the way around!
My plan was to meet up with them at Bottle Portage and paddle with them for a day, camp with them over night... (as they had included me in their permit for one night) and then paddle back out and leave the next day... Trouble is I met with an unfortunate injury and did not get to do much more than make it to Agnes and camp for 5 days before I made the paddle up to Bottle to meet them and let them know I would not be able to continue on with them and then exited out at Entry point 16. So I was ready, but never got to use any of the Permits!!! Like I mentioned above, cost was about $130.00... but how does that compare to the fine???

Not this year but next 08' I hope to met several of them again and go for a trip into the Q for several days...

Bruce
VoyageurNorth
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04/10/2007 02:14PM  
Bruce,

How is your foot doing? You know, if you have the RABC & you go within a year of last time, your RABC might still be good!

The Ontario fishing license, well that is a total loss, unfortunately.

I've never had anyone buy a yearly pass, do you know when that expires? Oh wait, your foot isn't going to be better for this season is it? Dang!
VoyageurNorth
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04/10/2007 02:40PM  
Bogs,

Don't think we are going to get out for an early trip :-(

If the weather had stayed nice like it was, maybe. But last night it got down to 13 degrees, so we are not "un-making" ice at all.

I hope your trail clearing weather is either sort of cold or really nice because anything in between is a mess & wet & dangerous. I know you guys can stay safe in the colder temps as long as you don't get wet.

See you soon!
bogwalker
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04/10/2007 02:51PM  
Lynn-Thanks for the ice update. Sorry to hear your early year trip might be on the scrap pile. Don't give up yet though-things will hopefully improve quickly.

I think the Portage Clearing Trip (PCT) is being revised to be called the Ice Clearing Trip (ICT).

Howard Sprague has volunteered to bring bags of ice melt because as we all know "Kevlar is Light"!

28 days until the official PCT or ICT entry. Of course Nibi and I are hoping to enter a little earlier.

Doesn't John have a big heater he could point at the Moose River?? Here is hoping and praying for spring to finally arrive very soon!!!!

Arkansas Man
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04/10/2007 03:27PM  
Hey Lynn,
Everything is healed up nicely and I can do what ever I want now! I am not worrying about a RABC, or Can Pass or anyting like that since we are doing the family trip this year in camper and day tripping! I will be in to see you, get some bait and probably rent a canoe unless I buy another one between now and then... and if all of the kids come I may have to rent another one anyway!! Take care!

Bruce
VoyageurNorth
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04/10/2007 03:34PM  
Bruce,

Excellent!
starwatcher
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07/18/2007 10:08PM  
It looks like they modified the RABC form a little; updated July 9th, 2007. They are only good for one year now. They have a new link:
CANPASS Remote Area Border Crossing (RABC)
starwatcher
Trygve
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07/18/2007 10:18PM  
Yup, unless you live on a border lake.
07/19/2007 07:34AM  
They had the same update on their website in January 2007, but when I got mine in march it was good for two years again----so the updates are not always accurate. The application form even said it would be good for one year but the dates filled in by the Candian Government gave me essentially 2 years.

Tim
starwatcher
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07/19/2007 11:04AM  
That's good news. I hope it's good for two years.

starwatcher
07/19/2007 12:28PM  
Starwatcher---I didn't give you the whole story---To clarify When I applied the application said the RABC was good for one year at the date of issue. What really happened was that it ended up being good for one year form my birthday. Since I got the RABC in March and my birthday is in October---my RABC doesn't expire until October 7, 2008---essentially giving me 2 years of Quetico travel. If my Birthday had been in MAY---I guess I would have only a little over a years worth of travel. So how long the RABC is good for depends on when you apply and when your Birthday is---some will get two years some only one.

Tim
 
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