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05/19/2016 01:12PM
OK it's not a big deal, but I an a geek on the topic. Often when stoves are the topic someone will mention how light weight an alcohol stove setup is. Anybody ever actually put it on a scale?
Just for comparison purposes and because I prefer liquid gas for fuel here are 2 of my most carried stoves, fuel (10 once), container and cover, for a week cooking solo (14 meals), pump, windscreen and base I like.
Dragonfly 30.6 ounces total
Simmerlite 25.6 ounces total
butthead
Just for comparison purposes and because I prefer liquid gas for fuel here are 2 of my most carried stoves, fuel (10 once), container and cover, for a week cooking solo (14 meals), pump, windscreen and base I like.
Dragonfly 30.6 ounces total
Simmerlite 25.6 ounces total
butthead
"never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups" George Carlin
05/19/2016 02:11PM
I don't have the exact numbers with me, but our 3 most-used stoves are:
Propane topper: ~ 1 lb
MSR Pocket Rocket: 3 oz
BRS-3000T: 25 grams (0.9 oz)
Obviously, all these use some type of canister, so canister weight needs to be factored.
Propane topper: ~ 1 lb
MSR Pocket Rocket: 3 oz
BRS-3000T: 25 grams (0.9 oz)
Obviously, all these use some type of canister, so canister weight needs to be factored.
05/19/2016 04:47PM
Emberlit Ti twig stove < 6 ozs. The Fedex envelope I've cut down to size to hold it adds a few ounces.
Pop can alcohol stove ~ .4 oz + however much methyl alcohol I carry.
Pop can alcohol stove ~ .4 oz + however much methyl alcohol I carry.
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05/19/2016 05:48PM
quote Grandma L: "Butthead, - Just reporting in - thanks again for the 2 burner Exped converted Colman!!! It was great last week for the kids. It was so good they don't want to give it back to me! You really are the "stove whisperer"."
Give us the details on what stove he remodeled?
dr bob
Dr Bob
05/19/2016 07:45PM
Butthead - I really like my SimmerLame stove. Works great, "Simmer" is a relative term, but it is "Lite". I do OK with it, but it would be nice if it could simmer a bit better. It packs up nicely inside my MSR cook kit, so it it is well protected. Does not like chilly weather or wind very much, but I can deal with it due to the low weight.
The key is to not let too much gas enter the drip cup at the bottom of the stove when you fire it up. Otherwise, it becomes a flaming sooty mess for a minute or so. I usually let the drip cup almost completely burn out before I crank the throttle on the burner. By that time the generator is hot enough to give you that pleasing blue flame and jet engine noise. It is a pretty quiet stove though. Like that.
Tomster
The key is to not let too much gas enter the drip cup at the bottom of the stove when you fire it up. Otherwise, it becomes a flaming sooty mess for a minute or so. I usually let the drip cup almost completely burn out before I crank the throttle on the burner. By that time the generator is hot enough to give you that pleasing blue flame and jet engine noise. It is a pretty quiet stove though. Like that.
Tomster
05/19/2016 08:04PM
Emptied my Trangia and weighed it: 3.90 oz.
Titanium Clikstand: 1.9 oz.
Foil windscreen (an old one, not sure where I got it): 1.6 oz
Total for alcohol stove and associated gear: 7.4 oz
Titanium Clikstand: 1.9 oz.
Foil windscreen (an old one, not sure where I got it): 1.6 oz
Total for alcohol stove and associated gear: 7.4 oz
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05/19/2016 08:15PM
quote quark2222: "Butthead - I really like my SimmerLame stove. Works great, "Simmer" is a relative term, but it is "Lite". I do OK with it, but it would be nice if it could simmer a bit better. It packs up nicely inside my MSR cook kit, so it it is well protected. Does not like chilly weather or wind very much, but I can deal with it due to the low weight.
The key is to not let too much gas enter the drip cup at the bottom of the stove when you fire it up. Otherwise, it becomes a flaming sooty mess for a minute or so. I usually let the drip cup almost completely burn out before I crank the throttle on the burner. By that time the generator is hot enough to give you that pleasing blue flame and jet engine noise. It is a pretty quiet stove though. Like that.
Tomster "
Prime with denatured alcohol (I take a small bottle with me) for a clean soot-free preheat
SN
05/19/2016 09:19PM
Sorry, too lazy to weigh mine right now. But someone else already weighed their Trangia so I'll just use that.
Since you started the thread with stove, fuel, and fuel containers for 14 meals I'll do the same.
Trangia - 3.9 ounces
Littlebug Jr. stick stove as wind screen - 5.1 ounces (according to website)
Fuel - 14 ounces (I'm guessing at 1 ounce/meal, which sounds about right)
Fuel storage bag - 1 ounce (guess). I use collapsible bags similar to a platypus bag so not only does the weight go down but the bulk as well.
Total - 24 ounces
But that's not how I normally cook. I prefer to cook over an open fire so the Littlebug Jr. always comes along. I like the Trangia because it can utilize the stick stove as a wind screen. I carry a couple pieces of wire that slip through some slots and support the pot a ways down inside. So as a backup stove on a 1 week trip the weight would be:
Trangia 3.9 ounces
Fuel - 2 ounces
Total - 5.9 ounces
Alan
Since you started the thread with stove, fuel, and fuel containers for 14 meals I'll do the same.
Trangia - 3.9 ounces
Littlebug Jr. stick stove as wind screen - 5.1 ounces (according to website)
Fuel - 14 ounces (I'm guessing at 1 ounce/meal, which sounds about right)
Fuel storage bag - 1 ounce (guess). I use collapsible bags similar to a platypus bag so not only does the weight go down but the bulk as well.
Total - 24 ounces
But that's not how I normally cook. I prefer to cook over an open fire so the Littlebug Jr. always comes along. I like the Trangia because it can utilize the stick stove as a wind screen. I carry a couple pieces of wire that slip through some slots and support the pot a ways down inside. So as a backup stove on a 1 week trip the weight would be:
Trangia 3.9 ounces
Fuel - 2 ounces
Total - 5.9 ounces
Alan
05/19/2016 09:20PM
quote Grandma L: "Coleman stopped making this stove and the fuel for this great collapsible 2 burner. Butthead was good enough to convert it for me to isopro fuel. We love it! - It collapses almost flat and packs to be about 15" long and 3" high.
"
We have two of those stoves.... I still have a few cans of the combo fuel and have the setup to refill the canisters with isopro fuel until the gaskets give out. I will have to quit or send them out to him to convert them. I do like that stove a lot.
dr bob
Dr Bob
05/20/2016 08:17AM
Ooh boy! I'm all in on gear weight topics! I can geek out on that too!
This is my ENTIRE cook kit. I dehydrate food and just add boiling water or am cooking over a fire so I don't need much of a kit.
Snow Peak Lite Max Stove 1.9oz
Snow Peak trek 700 Pot 3.25oz
Foil & Aluminum Tape Lid 0.12oz
Reflectix Koozie 1.0oz
Foil & Aluminum Tape Wind Screen 1.5oz
Snow Peak Spork 0.6oz
Bic Mini 0.37oz
Large Rubberband 0.05oz (yes I weighted a rubberband....I know)
Scotch Brite Stainless Steel Scrubbing Pad 0.62oz
Rag 0.5oz
JetBoil Jetpower Fuel 100g 7.12 oz
All for a grand total of 17.03 oz! Or just over 1 pound.
You'd think by the list that I'm eating oatmeal and granola all week, but that's far from it. As you probably ascertained from the above list I can be a little meticulous about things. Meal planning is the same...we eat pretty awesome up there.
The more you know the less you carry right?
This is my ENTIRE cook kit. I dehydrate food and just add boiling water or am cooking over a fire so I don't need much of a kit.
Snow Peak Lite Max Stove 1.9oz
Snow Peak trek 700 Pot 3.25oz
Foil & Aluminum Tape Lid 0.12oz
Reflectix Koozie 1.0oz
Foil & Aluminum Tape Wind Screen 1.5oz
Snow Peak Spork 0.6oz
Bic Mini 0.37oz
Large Rubberband 0.05oz (yes I weighted a rubberband....I know)
Scotch Brite Stainless Steel Scrubbing Pad 0.62oz
Rag 0.5oz
JetBoil Jetpower Fuel 100g 7.12 oz
All for a grand total of 17.03 oz! Or just over 1 pound.
You'd think by the list that I'm eating oatmeal and granola all week, but that's far from it. As you probably ascertained from the above list I can be a little meticulous about things. Meal planning is the same...we eat pretty awesome up there.
The more you know the less you carry right?
05/20/2016 08:28AM
quote butthead: "OK it's not a big deal, but I an a geek on the topic. Often when stoves are the topic someone will mention how light weight an alcohol stove setup is. Anybody ever actually put it on a scale?"
For me I could care less about the small weight difference. I tried alcohol stoves and decided they were more trouble than they're worth. On my cannister stove I open the valve and light it. That's it. No guesswork in how much fuel to use to cook what, no priming, no fuel spills, better wind resistance, easier to light, better heat control. The list goes on (though some may argue some of these points). I'll gladly carry a few extra ounces for the convenience. :)
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05/20/2016 07:43PM
quote keth0601: "quote butthead: "OK it's not a big deal, but I an a geek on the topic. Often when stoves are the topic someone will mention how light weight an alcohol stove setup is. Anybody ever actually put it on a scale?"
For me I could care less about the small weight difference. I tried alcohol stoves and decided they were more trouble than they're worth. On my cannister stove I open the valve and light it. That's it. No guesswork in how much fuel to use to cook what, no priming, no fuel spills, better wind resistance, easier to light, better heat control. The list goes on (though some may argue some of these points). I'll gladly carry a few extra ounces for the convenience. :)"
Pretty much sums up why I prefer my JetBoil Sol to my alcohol stove also to my old Coleman canister stove, which it is more stable than, more wind resistant than (I don't have to carry a wind screen), works better in colder temps (20 vs. 40), and is much more fuel efficient - a small canister will do me a week. I don't have exact weight for you, but the stove burner, pot with cozy, stand, lid, and measuring cup/protector, along with a small canister weighs around 20-22 oz. Add a spork, cozy, and insulated mug for coffee and it's ~30 oz.
Alcohol stoves are light, but the fuel weight adds up quickly on longer trips. First became popular with thru hikers who could easily buy more fuel for them every few days.
05/21/2016 07:31AM
I still use the Coleman Exponent 2-burner shown above. Still have a few tall cans of powermax plus a few I have refilled. Will convert like Butthead did when the powermax cans wear out. I have a couple maintenance/repair kits and plan to keep it.
I don't know what it weighs, but lightweight and compact as any two-burner I've seen.
I don't know what it weighs, but lightweight and compact as any two-burner I've seen.
Not to Hurry-Not to Worry
05/21/2016 08:31AM
quote overthehill: " I still use the Coleman Exponent 2-burner shown above. Still have a few tall cans of powermax plus a few I have refilled. Will convert like Butthead did when the powermax cans wear out. I have a couple maintenance/repair kits and plan to keep it.
I don't know what it weighs, but lightweight and compact as any two-burner I've seen. "
26.1oz my conversion. Actual weight vary from the makers by quite a bit sometimes. Enough to surprise folks like me. Weight of fuel needed to cook the same amounts is often discounted, but makes the bulk of the weight.
Jackfish's Whisperlite is less by a bunch, 9.8oz (heaviest version brass tube 600), not 16! Even adding fuel bottle, and pump it just gets to 14.8oz.
I know my Dragonfly will cook for more than an hour on 10 oz of fuel, boil 15 quarts of water. Never used alcohol enough to get any figures. Canister gas in most burners consume a similar amount to my Dragonfly (oz per oz comparison except in finest detail), but is limited to amounts 4/8/16oz in steel canisters.
Cooking on twig stoves or fires may be most efficient but requires the most user attention.
Not trying to change preferred methods, just like sharing information.
butthead
"never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups" George Carlin
05/21/2016 03:16PM
quote gkimball: "Emptied my Trangia and weighed it: 3.90 oz.
Titanium Clikstand: 1.9 oz.
Foil windscreen (an old one, not sure where I got it): 1.6 oz
Total for alcohol stove and associated gear: 7.4 oz"
How much fuel, how much will it cook, weight of fuel and container?
That is where my curiosity is going. Published weights are one thing. The weight carried and used with the stove set is more of what I'm interested in. I can and do use a fire, so I could get by with just 2oz of fuel for special conditions, or risk no stove and equipment.
Lots of experience with canister and liquid gas stoves, never tripped with alcohol burners. Understand and used boil only menus, not a fan. Curious not judgmental. Interested in other members experiences.
butthead
"never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups" George Carlin
05/22/2016 03:30AM
I have tried to figure out things like this, but it is to many variables, taste, how do you cook, wind and wind protection may be of great importance on a 3 day trip, or longer.
I use to end up with 1 of 3 stoves.
Expecting no or little wind: Coleman 550B
A little more wind: Coleman Apex 2 or Optimus Nova, both with wind protection.
Extreme conditions: the Nova in a Trangia storm cocker.
All these simmers well, and you may really cook!
dsk
I use to end up with 1 of 3 stoves.
Expecting no or little wind: Coleman 550B
A little more wind: Coleman Apex 2 or Optimus Nova, both with wind protection.
Extreme conditions: the Nova in a Trangia storm cocker.
All these simmers well, and you may really cook!
dsk
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