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02/24/2008 06:26PM  
What's a good tarp rig that will stand up to a major storm? I have an MSR Outfitter Wing and looking at the best way to rig it for a major blow.

Pictures help.
 
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02/24/2008 08:04PM  
The more points on the tarp the you can tie out to the better, it helps to spread out the stress more. The place should like a spider web when you are done! :)

 
Grandma L
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02/24/2008 08:29PM  
Good pics beavers. We have been using a Kelty Noah tarp and putting up a center rope corner to corner like a "roof peak" that way the corners can go up or down depending on the direction of the rain etc.
 
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02/24/2008 08:41PM  
This one was to cover the tent door. (notice no vestibule) it was put up corner to corner with a rope as the center. That way the tarp stays at the desired angle even with changing winds.
 
02/24/2008 09:15PM  
Before you leave for your trip, rig ropes that go thru all the loops/grommets on each side, or at least 2, with slack included. Then you can either lower one of these sides in a blow, and stake them right away by pulling out between the grommets. Or you can attach ropes to the contained rope and tie to trees, rocks, etc. Also bring more stakes than you think you will need, or make some out of wood right away at your camp.

Simply the more guy outs and the lower to the ground the more bomb proof.
 
02/24/2008 09:57PM  
I like Beaver's idea with the windscreen. On a still day I will anticipate the prevailing winds from the NNW (or more precisely NbyNW) in the Quetico, with thunderstorms coming out of nowhere.

If I get home to my gear next weekend I'll string my tarp up and take a picture to post. The neighbors always gawk when I get my toys out but I don't care.
 
stevedug
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02/24/2008 10:18PM  
we hung out in here during a full day of rain. a canoe, an old ripstop tarp, a CCS tarp and a bunch of rope. like everyone has said, the more tie-out loops you have, the more things you can do do make yourself a comfortable place to get out of the rain.



 
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02/25/2008 07:59AM  
This summer I will be bring a large plastic sheet (Visqueen) and a whole bunch of these:

Grip Clips

That way I can tie down a tarp in whatever location I can.
 
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02/25/2008 09:20AM  
One thing that will help destress a tarp in high winds is to use bungee cords at the grommets. That way they can stretch without tearing the tarp.
 
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02/25/2008 09:53AM  
In my opinion, the weak link in any tarp set-up is the tent stakes. This is where all of my tarp failures have occurred, but sometimes they’re a necessary evil.
 
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02/25/2008 12:50PM  
This is what I like to do with a tarp... this was a solo trip and I was able to undo the top corner ropes and fold back the tarp to have a fire in the evenings when it was not raining.

Bruce
 
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02/25/2008 02:34PM  
That is a nice setup ArkMan - where is that site?
 
Arkansas Man
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02/25/2008 02:58PM  
Lake Agnes the site to the left of the 115 rod portage as you are heading toward it. The right most campsite on the peninsulas in Agnes. It is a very nice site!~!

Bruce
 
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02/25/2008 03:17PM  
I rigged two tarps years ago with loops in the top of each quadrant and in the center. With short lengths of parachute cord hanging from each nylon perimeter loop, the tie down options are unlimited. My stuff sack also has a nylon mesh bag with varying lengths of color-coded parachute cord and a small nylon bag of different sizes and styles of stakes. I also have a long 50' length of 3/8" yellow line I use for a clothesline / ridgeline.

 
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02/25/2008 03:19PM  
Sorry, I should have included pics.



 
02/25/2008 06:07PM  
i have and use a campmor versa tarp, but i have never trusted the tie outs. i use these. the cheapest, easiest, most versitile grommets ever.....except, they seem to have vanished about 2 years ago. (got them at menards initially) its the high tech rock....only plastic and rubber. haha

has anyone seen these lately? if so, where?

 
02/25/2008 06:39PM  
I have parachute cord attatched to most of the grommets. When I take the tarp down I just roll up the cord and secure it to the grommet. I like to have a simple ridgeline so the water drains off.

 
02/25/2008 07:39PM  
This tarp setup has saved us so many times that we bring it on every trip regardless of the 'forcast' The bungee straps attached to the rope is key.....strong winds have ripped many a tarp
 
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02/25/2008 08:28PM  
Question and a comment.

Comment first - these are some great pictures of some very nicely erected tarps.

Question - why do you folks put a tarp over your tent? Never understood this - I tie my tarp off (not as well) to create a separate area for gear storage and food prep and perhaps to avoid the rain.

Pete - you have to meet Beavers, our 'Martha Stuart' of tent setup and tarp erecting. Few do it better. Smile Andrew, that was a compliment!
 
02/25/2008 08:49PM  
Thanks for the compliment Beemer!

You do know that I learned everything from the tarpmaster himself...Butthead! :)

Playing with your tarp is a great way to kill the afternoon! ;)
 
02/25/2008 09:03PM  
To handle maximum winds rig your tarp on a ridge line. This distributes the stress across the width of the tarp. Stake or tie it down good on the back and tie out the sides as well. I prefer to tie the center up to a tree behind the tarp if I can otherwise I use a pole (paddle or deadfall) in the center.

 
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02/26/2008 07:47AM  
Beavers, you are right... Butthead is THE Zenmaster of this art. Right angles, tight lines, attention to detail.

Field engineering at its best.

Great pictures everyone - this is how to do it right!
 
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02/26/2008 09:23AM  
We rarely put up tarps, but the girls wanted us to do some pole dancing and this was the only way we could stand one up.
 
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02/26/2008 09:42AM  
Here is our CCS tarp setup for serious wind and weather. Somehow we managed to survive....

 
Blackstick
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02/26/2008 09:52AM  
For options on tarp rigging check this site out. It’s almost too much information.
 
02/26/2008 09:59AM  
Sometimes I'll set up a tarp over the tent if it is raining and I need to take camp down. Or,if it is raining, I'll set my tent up under the tarp and then move it. Once in a great while I'll set up the tarp as a front porch for the tent.

However, I have never set up the tarp over the tent and left it there. For me the tent is the bedroom and its vestibule(s) the closet(s). The tarp is storage room, and when raining, also the living room and kitchen.


 
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02/26/2008 10:48AM  
Blackstick... Nice CFP-90 pack in the pic... wheredja get it?
 
02/26/2008 12:15PM  
Do most of you put up your tarps only on layover days (or only when base camping) or do you put them up at every day at each new campsite?
 
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02/26/2008 12:36PM  
Every day - the very first thing up. My sons and I can get our Kelty up in a matter in minutes at most sites.





Beavers and Butthead, on the other hand, probably take 2-4 hours per tarp - I suspect using calibrated precision Swiss tarp rigging equipment.

 
02/26/2008 12:36PM  
Generally, for me, the tarp is the first thing up and last thing down.
 
02/26/2008 03:46PM  
Same as Bannock except if we roll into the site late and will be leaving in the morning. If the weather's nice then we'll skip it.
 
02/26/2008 04:33PM  
Kanoes, I have something very similar to what your picture shows. I had got them from the Sportsman Show at the MSP Convention Center a few years back. They have come in handy on many a camping trip with some fierce wind.
 
02/26/2008 08:57PM  
I'm with Bannock. First thing up, last down. I'd swear it rains less when you follow that rule.
 
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02/27/2008 12:13PM  
Kanoes, I saw some today at Sears Hardware in the automotive section.
 
02/27/2008 12:35PM  
thanks!
 
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02/28/2008 09:48AM  
Pirate, you’ve got good a pretty good eye for details. I got the pack some time after my military obligations were over. I believe I got it from a company called Brigade Quartermasters. I’m sure I’ve had it over 20 years. I’ve bought a Duluth pack to try and replace it, but so far it is still going along on the trips. Great gear hauler.

 
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02/28/2008 11:06AM  
I've used one myself for about 10 years. It got "requisitioned" for me.

As you said, great gear hauler and about as heavy duty as they come. The color is durn near perfect too (I go more along the subdued lines rather than bright "look at me" line of thought).
 
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03/03/2008 08:21PM  
kanoes, You might look for these in your local farm supply store. They should be with the canvas tarps.
 
03/03/2008 08:23PM  
fleet farm doesnt have them. i need to try tractor supply i guess.
 
03/03/2008 08:26PM  
kanoes,
i looked at tractor supply and they didn't have 'em either.
 
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03/03/2008 10:05PM  
Actually, the Farm Store in Waconia had them last spring. Good luck
 
03/14/2008 11:09PM  
How much parachute cord are you folks packing?? Some of these tarps look like they're strung with about 150 yards of cord!
 
03/15/2008 07:05AM  
I usually bring 8-10 bungees in varying lengths. Guess I'm to lazy to tie knots.
 
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03/15/2008 08:09AM  
I carry 120' of red Para cord, or 10 hanks of slightly varying length. Each end is flame seared to prevent unraveling. Easy to get greater length by combining pieces.

 
03/15/2008 10:33AM  
I am upgrading to a noah's tarp and retiring my well used brown menard's model. It might be a mistake but weight is a greater consideration
 
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03/15/2008 11:18AM  
Beemer 01 to your question on "why do you folks put a tarp over your tent?"
My first night on my solo trip it got down to 35f and rained non stop. All was good until I felt that first drop. It hit me right on the forehead. I thought it was due to the lack of ventilation in my tent. I have a Eureka Zeus2. After about an hour of the Chinese water torture, it started to rain in my tent, then it started pouring. I got up in the dark and fetched the tarp to put over the tent. The rest of the trip the tarp was over the tent.
When I got home I sprayed a can of waterproofing on the tent.
 
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03/15/2008 03:42PM  
We have switched to this tarp/tent that my wife bought me for Christmas. I was a bit skeptical but it is wonderful. It has netting and stood up to some big time storms on Iron lake last year the first week in June.]
It come from MEC.
 
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03/15/2008 05:50PM  
Georgiaboy -

Been at that campsite on Iron, when I was there we got sleeted on one evening..... Brrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

Apart from that I love Iron!
 
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03/15/2008 06:37PM  
Shhhhhh don't tell anyone where it is.
It is a nice site isn't it. Did some good smallie fishing in the bay right next to it and caught a 31" pike standing on the bank.
 
03/15/2008 11:44PM  
GB how do you like your MEC mantis tarp? You are the only other person I have seen with one. I have had mine for about three yeer now and I really like it. Its great for getting out of the wind, bugs and rain. Do you actually use yours for sleeping or do you also bring a tent along. I just use mine as a tarp and bring a small tent along. I guess I'm not brave enough to try and sleep in a floorless shelter.



tony
 
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03/16/2008 09:41AM  
We do the same thing. I love it. We were able to sit in chairs in a rain storm cook supper and avoid the bugs. I am sold on mine. What we do is put all of our gear in the narrow point of the mantis and sleep in a light weight tent. It is nice to get up and have all of your bags dry and if it is raining have a place to cook and eat.

 
03/16/2008 09:43AM  
I like the ridgeline idea. I always try to rig it tight as a banjo string and for spring I want to rig it close to the fire and sloping to the wind with the ridge line about 10 ft off the ground.

With a 7 point 16x18 tarp it will be an architectural wonder. Pictures to follow.
 
03/16/2008 10:44AM  

Georgia Boy -

I would have sworn up and down that was the second island site on Cummings. Look damn near identical.

Of course, once a Pro like Beemer said it was Iron, I knew that for 393,762nd time in my life, I was wrong... :)

Cool looking tarp though - I'll be checking that out. Thanks!
 
03/16/2008 12:18PM  
Tarp security depends mostly on the amount or cordage you want to carry, and the anchor points available [trees, rocks, tent stakes].
I try to setup downwind from some natural windbreak, not always possible though. Split my Campmor tarp last year, too much wind and I had it up too high [not raining at the time]. Now it's a pair of 41/2 x 10 ft. groundcloths/tarps!

Setup for rain, low to the tent,

shade, high and flat,

trees at all corners, spaced perfect,
continued-
 
03/16/2008 12:51PM  


not so perfect tree/anchor placement,






this one earned me the title 'tarpmaster'!


butthead
 
03/16/2008 01:11PM  
nice rigging butthead! i have that very same tarp, although mine is still one 10x10. :)

question. ive never trusted those white tie points...which is why i went the keyhole grommet route. you seem to use the sewn in tieouts in your rigging. are they strong enough? ever have any tear out?
 
03/16/2008 05:09PM  
Thanks kanoes.
Never ripped out a tie, my tarp failed last Oct. from the middle out! Ripped just off center, hem to hem. It was real windy!
I will use added 'keyhole grommets' if needed, and have had good service using them.

These tarps are joined with 'keyhole grommets'!

butthead
 
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03/16/2008 05:31PM  
Hey Tarpmaster and Beavers -

Nice pics. It occurs to me that I've never actually seen you guys rig a tarp.

There are a few of us here who think a Youtube video would be helpful.

I think I have tarp envy.
 
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03/16/2008 09:03PM  
kanoes,
I also have one of the same tarps, and yes I have lost some of the white tie outs. I have been replacing those with some nylon webbing, as it goes. Taking along some of those keyhole grommet things is not a bad idea.
 
03/16/2008 09:22PM  
Butthead -

I saw your pooch in the tarp picture. Do you take him/her alot??
 
03/17/2008 05:17PM  
hmf4;
'Baxter' is 'Old Rookie's' pooch!

But I'll travel with him anywhere!!
Now back to tarps-----

butthead
 
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03/17/2008 07:14PM  
What do you use for tarp rope? Parachute cord, or???

Tom - Bad Shirt (You get the picture)
 
03/17/2008 07:16PM  
i prefer 9/64's".....polyprop. :) 1/4" actually.
 
03/17/2008 09:05PM  
1/8" 'chute cord, lots of it. Cut and heat whip it (20' lengths work out best). Always roll it up neatly and you won't have to untangle it in the rain at camp. I must have 15 twenty footers plus a few shorter ones. I have never used them all but I've come close a couple times. To rig the tarp in the photo I posted above I needed to tie 3 lengths together to reach that birch tree in the background with one of the cords that pulls top of the tarp up.

You can get nylon 'chute cord at any outdoors shop. Dan Cooke sells a polyester version (I'd think Thrifty Outfitters would have it too) which I like because it doesn't stretch like nylon when it gets wet.

 
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03/17/2008 09:52PM  
I am with merganser on the precut and rolled 20 footers. Nothing is worse than having to deal with a ratnest of ropes when you are about to get dumped on. I have had many,many tarps over the years and have been happiest with my CCS tarp(all the other brands tore). I really like all the tieouts of webbing,and bombproof quality. I am picking up my CCS Lean 3 Plus this week cant wait to try it out at the syrup camp and fishing opener. Anyone else have a Lean rig and how do you like it?
Cedarboy
 
03/17/2008 10:01PM  
Does a 'Bad Shirt' worn well really qualify as bad?? I have that picture!

Mostly 1/8 para cord, 20 ft. lengths as per 'Merganser'. A variety of other cords as well, and I do like the cordage that Dan Cooke sends with his gear!

butthead PS; Cedarboy I just bought a 'Lean1+' tried it out last weekend and It will replace both my solo tent and tarp with one item much lighter than both! Still may need a extra tarp to take the place of basket weaving on trips! b
 
03/18/2008 08:03AM  
I am not a paracord fan, always seems to slippery to hold knots well. Anyway, Home Depot sells 75' rolls of godawful colored 1/8 braided over solid core center rope for very reasonable pricing. We have used that for a few years in our scout troop for whole bunches of things. Knots great, strong, and very colorful, helpful for not tripping over. Their yellow color almosts glows in the dark. They have a nice lavender,fucia, etc. for you campers wanting to accessorize your campsite in accent colors!
 
03/18/2008 04:16PM  
The tarp I use is custom made by a hometown lady. Lots of reinforced tie-own loops. I rarely rip one and she is good on repairs. I usually try to employ a ridgeline and I tie out to any and everything available, but I never use stakes. It takes a fair amount of rope...but I love rope. It always goes over an edge of the fire pit area, taking wind into consideration. I think it's about 14x16
 
03/22/2008 09:30AM  
I'm sure the neighbors are admiring it. I need some better ridgeline rope and get it up higher.
 
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03/22/2008 10:07AM  
Make sure you bring your tree climbing boots.

I'm all packed and ready.
 
03/22/2008 12:57PM  
I have been known to swing from the branches to get a tarp or bear bag just how I want it. I also religiously believe it should be the first thing up and last thing down always, rain or shine, if you're spending the night there of course.
 
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03/22/2008 02:57PM  

Butthead

damn that is a fine picture........ eye candy for sure (not you)....... the dog and the canoe
 
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03/22/2008 04:03PM  

Been admiring the high tech rigs that I have seen here.

Sometimes the site just does not lend itself to conventional tarp layouts, and ya have to get creative.........

We got caught late in the day (September 2006). The site was less than desirable, but stopping was necessary. The wind and rain were right off the water. We used the canoe to extend and anchor the tarp on the downhill side...... actually the canoe came in handy as shelve space

The tarp shown will be retired this year for one of those dandy CCS 10X12's

 
03/23/2008 07:59PM  
Finally got the fast pitch hardware rigged for the ridgeline. S hooks instead of tying knots on the trees, cheap little carabiners to hook the tarp on and tent line sliders from a GP large military tent to adjust tension.
 
03/24/2008 08:18AM  
HPD, A for effort. That is kinda the fun of tarps, making them work with the stuff you have to deal with. Enough ropes, sticks, and stakes and you can do anything.
 
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03/11/2009 11:31AM  
Hi folks. I found this thread (God bless the Search function) and found it extremely informative so thought I'd bump it up for those curious about setting one up.

We didn't use one in my 2 previous trips but will certainly be bringing one this time around. Rain gear may be fine, but the thought of being stuck in the rain for hours on end just doesn't sound fun at all.

Anyway, if anyone has additional pics of how you rig your tarp, those would be great to see.
 
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03/11/2009 12:25PM  
Kanoes,
Your clips look like the old garter stocking clips before the days of panty hose. Not sure where to find them, but they worked on material about the same thickness and they may even have elastic straps on them.
H
 
03/11/2009 05:02PM  
Here's what I picked up a couple of years ago and love it. Not big (9x9) but light and small. About the size of a paperback book and weighs a pound. It's made of light silnylon. Think I got it at Campmore. We were in under a fire ban in this photo, in case you're wondering about having it pitched over the fire grate. You can see the end of the ban coming in from the southeast...
 
03/11/2009 05:10PM  
Humdinger,
They are also used on shirts stays, the Marines use them on the dress uniforms, speaking of that, I still have mine and I should look to improvise them for some good use. Thanks
 
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03/11/2009 07:27PM  
Like Merganser, I usually like to rig a tarp with a ridgeline on the windward edge. Sometimes tree position and available space dictate a different plan, and corner to corner works too.
 
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03/11/2009 09:02PM  
Does anybody have experience with the Equinox ultra-light tarps? I am thinking of buying their 10' X 12' model.
 
03/12/2009 01:32AM  
 
03/12/2009 01:34AM  
Hammock is actually my 10X10 Green tarp from above. Dual purpose
 
TimSkoog
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03/12/2009 02:29PM  
Always been running my "custom" rain/shade/bug tarp. Center pole for rain direction and to attach coleman single burner lantern, and two front poles. The back wall is solid with a screen window, bug net sides down will keep out most rain. Kelty tarp works nicely too.
 
03/12/2009 06:07PM  
OBX2Kayak; I just got one, have not used it on a trip yet. Little weight, packs small, tie attachments on the fly interior, and grommets on the perimeter. Not too many weeks and I'll have it strung up in the woods somewhere!

butthead
 
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03/12/2009 09:08PM  
B-head -- Weren't they calling you the "Tarp-meister" earlier in this thread? If you bought an Equinox, that's a pretty good endorsement. Thanks!
 
03/13/2009 05:53AM  
MEMBERS ONLY DEAL -

I bought an entire roll of tyvek (9'x150') and will let people on this site buy what is leftover at my cost ($1 per linear foot) plus postage. It was actually a little more than that with the state's cut.

A 14'x9' tarp would set you back $14 plus postage. (under $5?)

A 9'x9' tent ground cloth is $9 plus postage.

If anyone is interested, drop me an e-mail or reply here. First come first serve.

I searched online for smaller pieces and they wanted $2 per foot.

Antigravitygear
 
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03/13/2009 12:00PM  
Timskoog,

Where did you get your bug tent? I took my family last year and one major request for this year is someplace to hide from the bugs. When the bugs decended every evening, my crew got quite restless...
 
03/13/2009 03:23PM  
What!? No pics of homemade Tyvek tarps?

Someone above asked why put a tarp over a tent. I can think of a great reason...to leave the rain fly off but not get full of dew on a night when you think it's not going to rain. Really great ventilation.
 
03/13/2009 05:42PM  
Reason to put tarp over tent while keeping fly on. I defy anyone to get in and out of a tent with fly without getting rain in it during a rain storm.
 
03/13/2009 06:10PM  
My dome tent has no vestible, and besides,like mentioned above, I like a 'front porch' for rainy days plus covering the top of the dome may help its longevity. It's nice to step out in bare feet while it's raining and stretch out the kinks before making a dash for the dining fly. We at least semi- basecamp usually staying 2 nights in one spot.
 
03/13/2009 08:06PM  
Saw in at least one photo here where the groundcloth was sticking out beyond the edges of the tent. I always make sure that no part of my ground cloth is sticking out beyond the tent- catches rain and puts it between the tent and the groundcloth. OK if you want a waterbed...
 
03/13/2009 09:09PM  
I've not seen so many cool riggings for tarps...mercy. I think I might need to back to school for an engineering degree.
 
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03/13/2009 09:23PM  
Rlhed - We can admire each other's Tyvek tarps at MMP next weekend. I am planning on retiring mine soon. Reason? Even after multiple trips through the washing machine it still "crinkles" in the wind, making it too noisy to leave up at night.
 
03/14/2009 06:38AM  
yes gutmon, good idea to fold under any edges of the ground cloth sticking out past the line of the tent floor.
 
03/14/2009 08:11AM  
One word covers it all for ground cloths, INNIE, lol.
 
03/14/2009 08:44AM  
Problem with the innie method is that it offers no protection for the tent floor from rocks or other sharp objects.
 
03/14/2009 11:12AM  
Not true. The sheet on top does help prevent punctures because it resists the object trying to penetrate, that reduces the pressure on the tent floor. A sharp object would still be an issue but I haven't found many nails or razor blades in the Bdub.

For the ultimate in tent floor protection you could put a proper foot print under the tent and a plastic sheet inside it. I have done this. The foot print adds a little cost/weight/space (but only a little of each). I expect this will extend the life of the tent floor but I don't know it will extend the life of the tent over all.
 
03/14/2009 11:23AM  
Here's a rig from last spring on Poly. Like my single trap rig, there's a ridge line. Here its a cross the top edge of the green tarp where the red/white on overlaps it.

Pretty foul weather on that trip. Notice the stick on the front corner of the red/white tarp. There was a Kelty aluminum pole like the the others but it snapped in a wind gust. I got some stronger, nesting poles from Campmor after that trip.



Another picture of the same basic rig, nicer weather on this trip. Notice that I have the new poles :)
 
03/14/2009 11:40AM  
Merganser- you say tomato I say TOMATO...i'm keeping mine out.
 
03/14/2009 12:25PM  
That is classy Merganser, I admire your boldness.
 
03/15/2009 04:21PM  
I gave away the MSR Outfitter Wing to my kids, too heavy to tote. This CCS was wonderful for last August.

 
03/16/2009 07:52AM  
To each his own gutmon...

bumabu, thanks. I had the red/white tarp custom made by CCS, picked it up on the way out of town for that trip last spring.
 
03/16/2009 07:58AM  
suko, are my eyes deceiving me or is that tarp not rectangular?
 
03/17/2009 09:50PM  
Hexagonal gives you a few extra options.

 
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