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02/24/2008 09:15PM
Before you leave for your trip, rig ropes that go thru all the loops/grommets on each side, or at least 2, with slack included. Then you can either lower one of these sides in a blow, and stake them right away by pulling out between the grommets. Or you can attach ropes to the contained rope and tie to trees, rocks, etc. Also bring more stakes than you think you will need, or make some out of wood right away at your camp.
Simply the more guy outs and the lower to the ground the more bomb proof.
Simply the more guy outs and the lower to the ground the more bomb proof.
02/24/2008 09:57PM
I like Beaver's idea with the windscreen. On a still day I will anticipate the prevailing winds from the NNW (or more precisely NbyNW) in the Quetico, with thunderstorms coming out of nowhere.
If I get home to my gear next weekend I'll string my tarp up and take a picture to post. The neighbors always gawk when I get my toys out but I don't care.
If I get home to my gear next weekend I'll string my tarp up and take a picture to post. The neighbors always gawk when I get my toys out but I don't care.
02/25/2008 07:59AM
This summer I will be bring a large plastic sheet (Visqueen) and a whole bunch of these:
Grip Clips
That way I can tie down a tarp in whatever location I can.
Grip Clips
That way I can tie down a tarp in whatever location I can.
"It is more important to live for the possibilities that lie ahead than to die in despair over what has been lost." -Barry Lopez
02/25/2008 02:58PM
Lake Agnes the site to the left of the 115 rod portage as you are heading toward it. The right most campsite on the peninsulas in Agnes. It is a very nice site!~!
Bruce
Bruce
Good Paddling, Great Fishing, and God Bless All...
02/25/2008 03:17PM
I rigged two tarps years ago with loops in the top of each quadrant and in the center. With short lengths of parachute cord hanging from each nylon perimeter loop, the tie down options are unlimited. My stuff sack also has a nylon mesh bag with varying lengths of color-coded parachute cord and a small nylon bag of different sizes and styles of stakes. I also have a long 50' length of 3/8" yellow line I use for a clothesline / ridgeline.
02/25/2008 06:07PM
i have and use a campmor versa tarp, but i have never trusted the tie outs. i use these. the cheapest, easiest, most versitile grommets ever.....except, they seem to have vanished about 2 years ago. (got them at menards initially) its the high tech rock....only plastic and rubber. haha
has anyone seen these lately? if so, where?
has anyone seen these lately? if so, where?
02/25/2008 06:39PM
I have parachute cord attatched to most of the grommets. When I take the tarp down I just roll up the cord and secure it to the grommet. I like to have a simple ridgeline so the water drains off.
"Life is not about finding yourself. Life is about creating yourself." --- George Bernard Shaw
02/25/2008 08:28PM
Question and a comment.
Comment first - these are some great pictures of some very nicely erected tarps.
Question - why do you folks put a tarp over your tent? Never understood this - I tie my tarp off (not as well) to create a separate area for gear storage and food prep and perhaps to avoid the rain.
Pete - you have to meet Beavers, our 'Martha Stuart' of tent setup and tarp erecting. Few do it better. Smile Andrew, that was a compliment!
Comment first - these are some great pictures of some very nicely erected tarps.
Question - why do you folks put a tarp over your tent? Never understood this - I tie my tarp off (not as well) to create a separate area for gear storage and food prep and perhaps to avoid the rain.
Pete - you have to meet Beavers, our 'Martha Stuart' of tent setup and tarp erecting. Few do it better. Smile Andrew, that was a compliment!
"You're not serious about wearing sandals on this portage.... are you?"
02/25/2008 09:03PM
To handle maximum winds rig your tarp on a ridge line. This distributes the stress across the width of the tarp. Stake or tie it down good on the back and tie out the sides as well. I prefer to tie the center up to a tree behind the tarp if I can otherwise I use a pole (paddle or deadfall) in the center.
"That sort of thing is my bag baby."
02/26/2008 07:47AM
Beavers, you are right... Butthead is THE Zenmaster of this art. Right angles, tight lines, attention to detail.
Field engineering at its best.
Great pictures everyone - this is how to do it right!
Field engineering at its best.
Great pictures everyone - this is how to do it right!
"You're not serious about wearing sandals on this portage.... are you?"
02/26/2008 09:59AM
Sometimes I'll set up a tarp over the tent if it is raining and I need to take camp down. Or,if it is raining, I'll set my tent up under the tarp and then move it. Once in a great while I'll set up the tarp as a front porch for the tent.
However, I have never set up the tarp over the tent and left it there. For me the tent is the bedroom and its vestibule(s) the closet(s). The tarp is storage room, and when raining, also the living room and kitchen.
However, I have never set up the tarp over the tent and left it there. For me the tent is the bedroom and its vestibule(s) the closet(s). The tarp is storage room, and when raining, also the living room and kitchen.
Bannock
02/26/2008 12:36PM
Every day - the very first thing up. My sons and I can get our Kelty up in a matter in minutes at most sites.
Beavers and Butthead, on the other hand, probably take 2-4 hours per tarp - I suspect using calibrated precision Swiss tarp rigging equipment.
Beavers and Butthead, on the other hand, probably take 2-4 hours per tarp - I suspect using calibrated precision Swiss tarp rigging equipment.
"You're not serious about wearing sandals on this portage.... are you?"
02/26/2008 04:33PM
Kanoes, I have something very similar to what your picture shows. I had got them from the Sportsman Show at the MSP Convention Center a few years back. They have come in handy on many a camping trip with some fierce wind.
C-H-A-L-L-E-N-G-E: Do not let what you cannot do, interfere with what you can do.
02/28/2008 09:48AM
Pirate, you’ve got good a pretty good eye for details. I got the pack some time after my military obligations were over. I believe I got it from a company called Brigade Quartermasters. I’m sure I’ve had it over 20 years. I’ve bought a Duluth pack to try and replace it, but so far it is still going along on the trips. Great gear hauler.
02/28/2008 11:06AM
I've used one myself for about 10 years. It got "requisitioned" for me.
As you said, great gear hauler and about as heavy duty as they come. The color is durn near perfect too (I go more along the subdued lines rather than bright "look at me" line of thought).
As you said, great gear hauler and about as heavy duty as they come. The color is durn near perfect too (I go more along the subdued lines rather than bright "look at me" line of thought).
Arrgghhh!
03/15/2008 08:09AM
I carry 120' of red Para cord, or 10 hanks of slightly varying length. Each end is flame seared to prevent unraveling. Easy to get greater length by combining pieces.
"You're not serious about wearing sandals on this portage.... are you?"
03/15/2008 11:18AM
Beemer 01 to your question on "why do you folks put a tarp over your tent?"
My first night on my solo trip it got down to 35f and rained non stop. All was good until I felt that first drop. It hit me right on the forehead. I thought it was due to the lack of ventilation in my tent. I have a Eureka Zeus2. After about an hour of the Chinese water torture, it started to rain in my tent, then it started pouring. I got up in the dark and fetched the tarp to put over the tent. The rest of the trip the tarp was over the tent.
When I got home I sprayed a can of waterproofing on the tent.
My first night on my solo trip it got down to 35f and rained non stop. All was good until I felt that first drop. It hit me right on the forehead. I thought it was due to the lack of ventilation in my tent. I have a Eureka Zeus2. After about an hour of the Chinese water torture, it started to rain in my tent, then it started pouring. I got up in the dark and fetched the tarp to put over the tent. The rest of the trip the tarp was over the tent.
When I got home I sprayed a can of waterproofing on the tent.
"The very basic core of a man's living spirit is his passion for adventure". Christopher Johnson McCandless.
03/15/2008 05:50PM
Georgiaboy -
Been at that campsite on Iron, when I was there we got sleeted on one evening..... Brrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
Apart from that I love Iron!
Been at that campsite on Iron, when I was there we got sleeted on one evening..... Brrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
Apart from that I love Iron!
"You're not serious about wearing sandals on this portage.... are you?"
03/15/2008 11:44PM
GB how do you like your MEC mantis tarp? You are the only other person I have seen with one. I have had mine for about three yeer now and I really like it. Its great for getting out of the wind, bugs and rain. Do you actually use yours for sleeping or do you also bring a tent along. I just use mine as a tarp and bring a small tent along. I guess I'm not brave enough to try and sleep in a floorless shelter.
tony
tony
03/16/2008 09:41AM
We do the same thing. I love it. We were able to sit in chairs in a rain storm cook supper and avoid the bugs. I am sold on mine. What we do is put all of our gear in the narrow point of the mantis and sleep in a light weight tent. It is nice to get up and have all of your bags dry and if it is raining have a place to cook and eat.
03/16/2008 09:43AM
I like the ridgeline idea. I always try to rig it tight as a banjo string and for spring I want to rig it close to the fire and sloping to the wind with the ridge line about 10 ft off the ground.
With a 7 point 16x18 tarp it will be an architectural wonder. Pictures to follow.
With a 7 point 16x18 tarp it will be an architectural wonder. Pictures to follow.
03/16/2008 10:44AM
Georgia Boy -
I would have sworn up and down that was the second island site on Cummings. Look damn near identical.
Of course, once a Pro like Beemer said it was Iron, I knew that for 393,762nd time in my life, I was wrong... :)
Cool looking tarp though - I'll be checking that out. Thanks!
03/16/2008 12:18PM
Tarp security depends mostly on the amount or cordage you want to carry, and the anchor points available [trees, rocks, tent stakes].
I try to setup downwind from some natural windbreak, not always possible though. Split my Campmor tarp last year, too much wind and I had it up too high [not raining at the time]. Now it's a pair of 41/2 x 10 ft. groundcloths/tarps!
Setup for rain, low to the tent,
shade, high and flat,
trees at all corners, spaced perfect,
continued-
I try to setup downwind from some natural windbreak, not always possible though. Split my Campmor tarp last year, too much wind and I had it up too high [not raining at the time]. Now it's a pair of 41/2 x 10 ft. groundcloths/tarps!
Setup for rain, low to the tent,
shade, high and flat,
trees at all corners, spaced perfect,
continued-
"never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups" George Carlin
03/16/2008 01:11PM
nice rigging butthead! i have that very same tarp, although mine is still one 10x10. :)
question. ive never trusted those white tie points...which is why i went the keyhole grommet route. you seem to use the sewn in tieouts in your rigging. are they strong enough? ever have any tear out?
question. ive never trusted those white tie points...which is why i went the keyhole grommet route. you seem to use the sewn in tieouts in your rigging. are they strong enough? ever have any tear out?
03/16/2008 05:09PM
Thanks kanoes.
Never ripped out a tie, my tarp failed last Oct. from the middle out! Ripped just off center, hem to hem. It was real windy!
I will use added 'keyhole grommets' if needed, and have had good service using them.
These tarps are joined with 'keyhole grommets'!
butthead
Never ripped out a tie, my tarp failed last Oct. from the middle out! Ripped just off center, hem to hem. It was real windy!
I will use added 'keyhole grommets' if needed, and have had good service using them.
These tarps are joined with 'keyhole grommets'!
butthead
"never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups" George Carlin
03/16/2008 05:31PM
Hey Tarpmaster and Beavers -
Nice pics. It occurs to me that I've never actually seen you guys rig a tarp.
There are a few of us here who think a Youtube video would be helpful.
I think I have tarp envy.
Nice pics. It occurs to me that I've never actually seen you guys rig a tarp.
There are a few of us here who think a Youtube video would be helpful.
I think I have tarp envy.
"You're not serious about wearing sandals on this portage.... are you?"
03/17/2008 09:05PM
1/8" 'chute cord, lots of it. Cut and heat whip it (20' lengths work out best). Always roll it up neatly and you won't have to untangle it in the rain at camp. I must have 15 twenty footers plus a few shorter ones. I have never used them all but I've come close a couple times. To rig the tarp in the photo I posted above I needed to tie 3 lengths together to reach that birch tree in the background with one of the cords that pulls top of the tarp up.
You can get nylon 'chute cord at any outdoors shop. Dan Cooke sells a polyester version (I'd think Thrifty Outfitters would have it too) which I like because it doesn't stretch like nylon when it gets wet.
You can get nylon 'chute cord at any outdoors shop. Dan Cooke sells a polyester version (I'd think Thrifty Outfitters would have it too) which I like because it doesn't stretch like nylon when it gets wet.
"That sort of thing is my bag baby."
03/17/2008 09:52PM
I am with merganser on the precut and rolled 20 footers. Nothing is worse than having to deal with a ratnest of ropes when you are about to get dumped on. I have had many,many tarps over the years and have been happiest with my CCS tarp(all the other brands tore). I really like all the tieouts of webbing,and bombproof quality. I am picking up my CCS Lean 3 Plus this week cant wait to try it out at the syrup camp and fishing opener. Anyone else have a Lean rig and how do you like it?
Cedarboy
Cedarboy
03/17/2008 10:01PM
Does a 'Bad Shirt' worn well really qualify as bad?? I have that picture!
Mostly 1/8 para cord, 20 ft. lengths as per 'Merganser'. A variety of other cords as well, and I do like the cordage that Dan Cooke sends with his gear!
butthead PS; Cedarboy I just bought a 'Lean1+' tried it out last weekend and It will replace both my solo tent and tarp with one item much lighter than both! Still may need a extra tarp to take the place of basket weaving on trips! b
Mostly 1/8 para cord, 20 ft. lengths as per 'Merganser'. A variety of other cords as well, and I do like the cordage that Dan Cooke sends with his gear!
butthead PS; Cedarboy I just bought a 'Lean1+' tried it out last weekend and It will replace both my solo tent and tarp with one item much lighter than both! Still may need a extra tarp to take the place of basket weaving on trips! b
"never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups" George Carlin
03/18/2008 08:03AM
I am not a paracord fan, always seems to slippery to hold knots well. Anyway, Home Depot sells 75' rolls of godawful colored 1/8 braided over solid core center rope for very reasonable pricing. We have used that for a few years in our scout troop for whole bunches of things. Knots great, strong, and very colorful, helpful for not tripping over. Their yellow color almosts glows in the dark. They have a nice lavender,fucia, etc. for you campers wanting to accessorize your campsite in accent colors!
03/18/2008 04:16PM
The tarp I use is custom made by a hometown lady. Lots of reinforced tie-own loops. I rarely rip one and she is good on repairs. I usually try to employ a ridgeline and I tie out to any and everything available, but I never use stakes. It takes a fair amount of rope...but I love rope. It always goes over an edge of the fire pit area, taking wind into consideration. I think it's about 14x16
"What could happen?"
03/22/2008 12:57PM
I have been known to swing from the branches to get a tarp or bear bag just how I want it.
I also religiously believe it should be the first thing up and last thing down always, rain or shine, if you're spending the night there of course.
03/22/2008 04:03PM
Been admiring the high tech rigs that I have seen here.
Sometimes the site just does not lend itself to conventional tarp layouts, and ya have to get creative.........
We got caught late in the day (September 2006). The site was less than desirable, but stopping was necessary. The wind and rain were right off the water. We used the canoe to extend and anchor the tarp on the downhill side...... actually the canoe came in handy as shelve space
The tarp shown will be retired this year for one of those dandy CCS 10X12's
"Boredom, Tyler - that's what's wrong. And how do you beat boredom, Tyler?... Adventure...(Never Cry Wolf, 1983)
03/11/2009 11:31AM
Hi folks. I found this thread (God bless the Search function) and found it extremely informative so thought I'd bump it up for those curious about setting one up.
We didn't use one in my 2 previous trips but will certainly be bringing one this time around. Rain gear may be fine, but the thought of being stuck in the rain for hours on end just doesn't sound fun at all.
Anyway, if anyone has additional pics of how you rig your tarp, those would be great to see.
We didn't use one in my 2 previous trips but will certainly be bringing one this time around. Rain gear may be fine, but the thought of being stuck in the rain for hours on end just doesn't sound fun at all.
Anyway, if anyone has additional pics of how you rig your tarp, those would be great to see.
03/11/2009 05:02PM
Here's what I picked up a couple of years ago and love it. Not big (9x9) but light and small. About the size of a paperback book and weighs a pound. It's made of light silnylon. Think I got it at Campmore. We were in under a fire ban in this photo, in case you're wondering about having it pitched over the fire grate. You can see the end of the ban coming in from the southeast...
03/12/2009 06:07PM
OBX2Kayak; I just got one, have not used it on a trip yet. Little weight, packs small, tie attachments on the fly interior, and grommets on the perimeter. Not too many weeks and I'll have it strung up in the woods somewhere!
butthead
butthead
"never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups" George Carlin
03/13/2009 05:53AM
MEMBERS ONLY DEAL -
I bought an entire roll of tyvek (9'x150') and will let people on this site buy what is leftover at my cost ($1 per linear foot) plus postage. It was actually a little more than that with the state's cut.
A 14'x9' tarp would set you back $14 plus postage. (under $5?)
A 9'x9' tent ground cloth is $9 plus postage.
If anyone is interested, drop me an e-mail or reply here. First come first serve.
I searched online for smaller pieces and they wanted $2 per foot.
Antigravitygear
I bought an entire roll of tyvek (9'x150') and will let people on this site buy what is leftover at my cost ($1 per linear foot) plus postage. It was actually a little more than that with the state's cut.
A 14'x9' tarp would set you back $14 plus postage. (under $5?)
A 9'x9' tent ground cloth is $9 plus postage.
If anyone is interested, drop me an e-mail or reply here. First come first serve.
I searched online for smaller pieces and they wanted $2 per foot.
Antigravitygear
Life is Good, Living is Better. Everlasting Life is Best! Pray for Us Amok.
03/13/2009 12:00PM
Timskoog,
Where did you get your bug tent? I took my family last year and one major request for this year is someplace to hide from the bugs. When the bugs decended every evening, my crew got quite restless...
Where did you get your bug tent? I took my family last year and one major request for this year is someplace to hide from the bugs. When the bugs decended every evening, my crew got quite restless...
Fish where the fish are...
03/13/2009 03:23PM
What!? No pics of homemade Tyvek tarps?
Someone above asked why put a tarp over a tent. I can think of a great reason...to leave the rain fly off but not get full of dew on a night when you think it's not going to rain. Really great ventilation.
Someone above asked why put a tarp over a tent. I can think of a great reason...to leave the rain fly off but not get full of dew on a night when you think it's not going to rain. Really great ventilation.
03/13/2009 06:10PM
My dome tent has no vestible, and besides,like mentioned above, I like a 'front porch' for rainy days plus covering the top of the dome may help its longevity. It's nice to step out in bare feet while it's raining and stretch out the kinks before making a dash for the dining fly. We at least semi- basecamp usually staying 2 nights in one spot.
Not to Hurry-Not to Worry
03/13/2009 08:06PM
Saw in at least one photo here where the groundcloth was sticking out beyond the edges of the tent. I always make sure that no part of my ground cloth is sticking out beyond the tent- catches rain and puts it between the tent and the groundcloth. OK if you want a waterbed...
03/13/2009 09:23PM
Rlhed - We can admire each other's Tyvek tarps at MMP next weekend. I am planning on retiring mine soon. Reason? Even after multiple trips through the washing machine it still "crinkles" in the wind, making it too noisy to leave up at night.
"I go because it irons out the wrinkles in my soul" -- Sigurd Olson
03/14/2009 11:12AM
Not true. The sheet on top does help prevent punctures because it resists the object trying to penetrate, that reduces the pressure on the tent floor. A sharp object would still be an issue but I haven't found many nails or razor blades in the Bdub.
For the ultimate in tent floor protection you could put a proper foot print under the tent and a plastic sheet inside it. I have done this. The foot print adds a little cost/weight/space (but only a little of each). I expect this will extend the life of the tent floor but I don't know it will extend the life of the tent over all.
For the ultimate in tent floor protection you could put a proper foot print under the tent and a plastic sheet inside it. I have done this. The foot print adds a little cost/weight/space (but only a little of each). I expect this will extend the life of the tent floor but I don't know it will extend the life of the tent over all.
"That sort of thing is my bag baby."
03/14/2009 11:23AM
Here's a rig from last spring on Poly. Like my single trap rig, there's a ridge line. Here its a cross the top edge of the green tarp where the red/white on overlaps it.
Pretty foul weather on that trip. Notice the stick on the front corner of the red/white tarp. There was a Kelty aluminum pole like the the others but it snapped in a wind gust. I got some stronger, nesting poles from Campmor after that trip.
Another picture of the same basic rig, nicer weather on this trip. Notice that I have the new poles :)
Pretty foul weather on that trip. Notice the stick on the front corner of the red/white tarp. There was a Kelty aluminum pole like the the others but it snapped in a wind gust. I got some stronger, nesting poles from Campmor after that trip.
Another picture of the same basic rig, nicer weather on this trip. Notice that I have the new poles :)
"That sort of thing is my bag baby."
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