Anybody ever head of these? They are WEIRD looking and are tailored for adventure racers.

Klymit

JD

I've seen them before. Looks incomplete. 9.1 oz? How much less than Expeds lightest? 6-7 oz? I'll stick with my exped.

interesting. wonder how it is for side sleepers? no good in a hammock.

It's one of those things I'd love to try out for a night.

R value of zero.

I looked at these and read reviews suggesting they were not very robust.

$100 for basically nothing? No thanks. If I want something like that I can try to macrame pool noodles.

niche market for ounce counters. the inertia XL looks better designed & of sturdier construction. might be just the thing to have on a warm summer night. minimal body heat contained but some cushioning underneath.

I hate to be the odd man out here, but I have used one for two seasons now and like it. I've had no problems with durability. I use it without the pump bulb, which brings the weight down to 6.3 ounces on my scale, which is pretty good for an inflatable pad. It is not extremely firm when used without the pump, but plenty firm for sleeping on your back. How does it work for side sleepers? Beats me.

Is it for everyone? Probably not. Like a lot of gear, much better if you can try before you buy. Is it as comfortable as the full length pads I use in the winter? Absolutely not, but lots lighter, takes up very little space in my pack and I find it much nicer than other choices I have tried at this weight point.

If you're not weight and bulk conscious I'd probably look elsewhere, but if your a back sleeper who values lightweight gear and minimal bulk it's worth a look.

The neoair in this length it also nice, light, compact and and a little more traditional, but also more money.

Again I like it and will continue to use it for 3-season camping, but would advise trying it before buying it. It's definitely different.

quote HappyHuskies: "I hate to be the odd man out here, but I have used one for two seasons now and like it. I've had no problems with durability. I use it without the pump bulb, which brings the weight down to 6.3 ounces on my scale, which is pretty good for an inflatable pad. It is not extremely firm when used without the pump, but plenty firm for sleeping on your back. How does it work for side sleepers? Beats me.


Is it for everyone? Probably not. Like a lot of gear, much better if you can try before you buy. Is it as comfortable as the full length pads I use in the winter? Absolutely not, but lots lighter, takes up very little space in my pack and I find it much nicer than other choices I have tried at this weight point.


If you're not weight and bulk conscious I'd probably look elsewhere, but if your a back sleeper who values lightweight gear and minimal bulk it's worth a look.


The neoair in this length it also nice, light, compact and and a little more traditional, but also more money.


Again I like it and will continue to use it for 3-season camping, but would advise trying it before buying it. It's definitely different."

As an ounce counting backpacker who happens to spend equally as much time in a canoe as on foot, I also put serious thought into trying one of these out. I ended up opting for the NeoAir because I also decided to make the switch to a down quilt so the Klymit was out for me. The NeoAir gets a similar rep. People don't like it cause it's narrow and makes a "crinkly" sound when you move around.

We are the minority here. That extra pound doesn't matter as much when the canoe carries it for the majority of the distance, but I can say that after a 10-mile trek on foot in the mountains, I'll take those quirks over that extra pound anytime. :)

quote yellowcanoe: "$100 for basically nothing? No thanks. If I want something like that I can try to macrame pool noodles."

(LOL), That's a good one! Also, I believe Kanoes mentioned "R" value? No insulation at all. Wouldn't be interested myself.

quote ozarkpaddler: "

quote yellowcanoe: "$100 for basically nothing? No thanks. If I want something like that I can try to macrame pool noodles."

(LOL), That's a good one! Also, I believe Kanoes mentioned "R" value? No insulation at all. Wouldn't be interested myself."

The r value is 0 because there is no way of measuring the r value for these. you are actually supposed to use them inside your sleeping bag and the open spaces take advantage of the sleeping bag's insulation which would otherwise be compressed in a normal bag.

That's the claim anyways I don't have any firsthand experience but it is pretty ingenius in theory. Same argument for using a quilt. The insulation under you in a sleeping bag is close to useless when compressed.

I've use mine down to 18 degree F and been comfortable. I use it inside my sleeping bag and the open air pockets allow your bag to loft in those areas. I was skeptical until I used it, but think it is a viable choice for those who are looking for an inflatable pad that is light and compact. Again I agree these are a little different and not for everyone. Like most gear these are not perfect, but I think they have a place in some packs and use it myself whenever I'm counting ounces.

Used it this last week when I made a quick two day trip from Snowbank up through Thomas to Spoon Lake and looped back around through Ensign and back to Snowbank. First day was 30 miles and 20 portages and I count ounces on that kind of trip. Second day was considerably shorter, but still nice to have a light pack.

quote HappyHuskies: "I use it inside my sleeping bag and the open air pockets allow your bag to loft in those areas."

huh, i hadnt considered that. thanks for the info. now, i see you reported that first keth.

quote kanoes: "

quote HappyHuskies: "I use it inside my sleeping bag and the open air pockets allow your bag to loft in those areas."

huh, i hadnt considered that. thanks for the info. now, i see you reported that first keth."

Me neither, now THAT sounds workable?

Well, while I like these pad (I use the 3/4 length version) when looking to save weight and bulk, they do have negatives. First, as someone mentioned in this thread, they don't play well with quilts and they I don't think they'd work well for side sleepers or for folks who move around a lot when sleeping. Also would not be a good choice for hammocking (but pad choices and under quilts are a whole 'nother topic) .The weight saving versus more traditional pads is somewhere in the range of 8 ounces and up depending on what you compare it to. In an light or ultralight pack that's significant. In a more traditional pack maybe not so much, so might be better in those cases to go for more comfort.

I guess what I'm trying to say is I view this as a niche product that has it's place, but is not for everyone.

Well, I'm off to the woods to train dogs for a couple of days. Definitely not traveling light on this trip. Will be setting up a wall tent, old school Coleman stove, etc.