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| old_salt |
02/22/2008 09:20AM How many US politicians do you see in Canada? |
| sirbill |
02/21/2008 10:54PM I'm surprised they don't ban US politicians along with felons. |
| fishguts |
02/18/2008 11:00PM MMMmmmm! I believe the reasoning behind the exclusion of felons into Canada is based on experiences from the Viet Nam era. They don't want felons entering Canada because a certain percentage either want to stay or commit crimes while in the country. They rate DUII as a felony, just because they do.....it's not to piss off anyone .....they have just found that they don't want felons in thier county! It's just the way it is. |
| sirbill |
02/18/2008 07:22PM I am well aware of how seriously they take drunk driving. You wouldn't believe some of the remote places I have been stopped at by a sobriety checkpoint. I have seen them on dirt roads where the nearest alcohol served was 50 miles away. I realize it has nothing to do with canoeing or paddling. I was being sarcastic about the paddling part as it seems illogical to me. While the rules don't relate directly to driving I suspect that a large portion of why it is considered a felony and why they would refuse to allow one into the country after a DUI is to ensure they don't come to Canada, get plastered, and kill or maim some unsuspecting Canadian citizen. If that's the case it would indirectly be related to driving and make no sense to block one from paddling in especially since the bulk of people crossing the border are never checked at all. |
| timatkn |
02/17/2008 08:41PM Sirbill----FYI The not being allowed into Canada with a DUI has nothing to do with driving or canoeing. In Canada a DUI is a felony--they take it more seriously than we do I guess. Most countries (including the U.S.) do not allow any foreigners to enter if they have a history of a felony. I think if the DUI is over 10 years (or any felony) old they consider you rehabilitated and will allow you entry though. No retrictions on life vests either---only if you are a Ontario resident. Tim |
| sirbill |
02/17/2008 07:03PM The cost and hassle is certainly affecting the decision I am trying to make right now on whether to go to Quetico or BWCAW this year. I also can't really pin down a date to within about an 8 or 9 day window so its effectively impossible to reserve a permit any distnce in advance. Fortunately I would be going after labor day so hopefully I could wait until shortly before as long as everything else isline up. If the issue in Canada with DUI's was that within some period of time you would not be allowed to drive in Canada I could see restrictions on that. However to stop someone from a canoe trips is pretty dense. I've never heard of anyone being pulled over for paddling under the influence nor have I ever been broadsided or by another paddler. By the way does anyone know if there is some kind of restriction on the color of life vest in Quetico. Seems like I read some article years ago about Canada rules in general. I have never had any problem with solitude in BWCAW either. I have camped on some of my favorite lakes for a week without seeing another person. |
| Captn Tony |
02/17/2008 06:48PM Went to Quetico one year. Won't go back not just one reason but going through all the hassle of extra regulations, higher costs , and taking all the extra time at the border crossing just wasn't worth the solitude and better fishing. Plus the Canadian ranger at Cache Lake acted like she really didn't want us Americans there. A few extra miles and portages and I can find the same solitude and fishing at the BWCA. |
| Kiss My Bass |
01/13/2008 07:04PM I"m a saint well their was that one time I beter check. |
| OmahaPaddler |
01/12/2008 02:00PM I will find out the status of my permit. Since all of you are saints with felon friends. |
| moose plums |
01/12/2008 01:33PM Has anyone in here ever heard of "felons" being turned away at Sand Point Lake? We'll be entering that way this yea,r and one of us has had the "misfortune". He got through two years ago, but naturally with the impending changes regarding border crossings, I am curiious and concerned. Is there anyone out there who knows, who we can contact to find out what we need to know, or do, that can insure that he will not be turned away at customs? |
| Jackfish |
01/06/2008 09:59AM We went through PP four years ago and I believe the ranger wanted to see our RABC permit for verification purposes. If you have your RABC permit, you're accepted into Canada. |
| Danceswithwalleye |
01/05/2008 11:12PM The felons I go with had never been stoped before, but I havent been for a year or so. You can still smuggle workers to portage your gear right? |
| timatkn |
01/05/2008 06:52PM When you apply for an RABC supposedly they do a full background check on your record. So if they gave someone an RABC then the DUI somehow did not show up or did not count against them anymore like Kevheads suggested. Either way at Prairie portage they are not going to do a background check. Unless immmigration is at Prairie portage, which is rare, no one will even look at your RABC anyway. Tim |
| kevheads |
01/05/2008 04:07PM I'd say if you got your RABC then your good to go,I don't remember the ranger at Prairie Portage or Cache Bay asking to see our RABC's,the ranger just cared about your camping permit.In Canada,if DUI's were over 10 yrs ago,they consider you rehabilitated. |
| danceswithwalleye |
01/05/2008 03:41PM Just to make it clear, cause I run with felons apperantly (just DUI's). If you get you RABC back ok from the Canooks you can still be turned away at the boarder (prairie portage)? |
| bogwalker |
07/20/2007 07:09AM Fingers crossed here as well. It would really be a tragedy if he could not make the trip. God Luck to you and your friend, jameswest. |
| jameswest |
07/19/2007 07:44PM he is in the process of talking to his lawyer. I think that he said he was not convicted and it is not on his record, pending good behavior. we are waiting for the final word from his lawyer. keeping my fingers crossed jameswest |
| timatkn |
07/18/2007 03:29PM Jameswest---If I read your post right your friend may not have the DUI on his record?? He may want to confer with his lawyer to make sure---I have heard of this with DUI's---I've heard it called a suspended sentence. You plead guilty, but as long as you stay out of trouble in specified amount of time (probation) it is not on your record----so your buddy has a good chance of being okay?? but I'd check for sure. |
| bogwalker |
07/18/2007 03:08PM Details on process |
| bogwalker |
07/18/2007 03:00PM More stories and links SF Chronicle Story |
| bogwalker |
07/18/2007 02:54PM Here's more on the topic from a governemt website Canada and a DUI Conviction Canada regards DUI / DWI as an extremely serious offense. A conviction for Driving Under the Influence (DUI or DWI) will qualify you as a member of the Inadmissible Class. Those non-Canadian citizens with such convictions will not be allowed to enter Canada freely. The Inadmissible status can be removed, after a period of many years, by applying for a Minister's Approval of Rehabilitation. Although, you can visit Canada before the Inadmissible status is removed. This requires you apply for a Temporary Resident Permit. The Temporary Resident Permit allows you to visit Canada for a single purpose or for a limited period. This process requires completion of forms and paying fees. Persons may apply for a Temporary Resident Permit, Approval of Rehabilitation, or Permission to Return to Canada either in Canada or at one these Canadian visa offices in the United States: The Canadian Consulate General in Buffalo, NY The Canadian Consulate General in New York, New York The Canadian Consulate General in Detroit, Michigan The Canadian Consulate General in Los Angeles, California The Canadian Consulate General in Seattle, Washington |
| timatkn |
07/18/2007 02:37PM " A dui interfering with a fishing trip 5 years later; who would have thought? There are jobs to do, but it's still a dam shame. " 911 has nothing to do with this rule, In Canada it has been considered a felony to Drive while intoxicated for quite a while---as far as I know No other country (including the U.S.) is going to let you cross their border if you have a felony conviction---I don't know if there is any grace period---like after 10 years it is okay--usually though a felony is a felony--whether it was committed 1 year ago or 20. The only way to get around it the issue--is to do what Bogwalker suggests or take your chances at the border. Tim |
| bogwalker |
07/18/2007 11:28AM CIIcanoe is right. Not to burst your bubble but a DUI in the US is a misdemeanor but the same US DUI is considered a felony in Canada. You still are at risk of him being turned away at the border. If it is truly not in the system you are fine, but I doubt that is the case-more likely it gets wiped clean after his probation period is over. If you had more time he could apply for amnesty with the Canadian consulate but you won't have enough time for this years trip and seeing it was only three years ago unlikely to be granted. You do run the real risk of him being turned away at the border. This is something you need to discuss what you will do if it happens. |
| CIIcanoe |
07/18/2007 11:26AM Better check on it. I believe canada considers a DUI/ DWI a felony, not what it is in the USA. Chuck |
| jameswest |
07/18/2007 11:12AM after turning over a few rocks I found that his dui was a misdemeanor, not a felony, and still pending conviction after a 3 year probationary period. One of those "keep your nose clean and it stays off the record" offense's. must of had a good lawyer. TRIP ON!!!!!!!! |
| overthehill |
07/16/2007 10:48PM It's a dam shame what 911 did. Seems like there are levels of alerts. I know early June was orange and it seems like it stays around awhile. A dui interfering with a fishing trip 5 years later; who would have thought? There are jobs to do, but it's still a dam shame. |
| jdrocks |
07/16/2007 02:49PM "do you think they will let him across?" if they find a DUI(felony), he's not going to cross. so what you're really asking is what are the chances of having his documents run through the database, and if run, what are the chances of the DUI popping up. i can't answer that one. from waiting in some lines and watching what's going on, it sure looks like they profile like crazy, right down to the license plate. we had our stuff run because i got a 60 day firearm permit. |
| Ho Ho |
07/16/2007 01:37PM Speaking of being hassled crossing the border back to the U.S., the Customs (now Homeland Security) guy in Ely hassles everyone. It's ridiculous. You can drive over the border lots of places barely stopping, but in Ely you have to pull out your prescription drugs for inspection and show the rental agreement for the car that didn't even cross the border. If you were smuggling or a terrorist you wouldn't even stop there in the first place, since 99% of the traffic going by is intra-United States. It would be nice to be able to do something to get a change there. |
| jameswest |
07/16/2007 01:27PM I am glad I read that last post. I am headed to quetico with a group of 5 buddies of mine in august. I know one of them had a dui in 2004, should I plan on changing our trip? We are crossing in thunder bay, do you think they will let him across? |
| jdrocks |
07/16/2007 12:33PM tourism to canada is down across the board this year, not just ontario, not just paddlers, and not just a little. Fuel, passports, USD parity, border hassles are always mentioned. 2007 may end up to be a watershed year for some outfitters unless more europeans show up to take up the slack. interesting that your worst border crossing was back into the states-it was the same with us and we had passports also. our 3 canadian crossings so far in 2007 have been friendly and smooth. on a side note, in june we saw a father and son turned back at the canadian border. more specifically, the son was denied entry because of a DUI. we only had our documents run once in 3 crossings, but if you have things like a DUI, they must be getting better at picking it up. |
| snakecharmer |
07/16/2007 12:27PM It would be interesting to know for comparison if BWCA permits were up or down. Anybody know? |
| Fish_Bones |
07/16/2007 10:41AM OS, interesting they would say that as it was put off until next year. I guess it was the confusion earlier in the year they are referring to. Not taking live bait would not discourage me from going. In fact it would save me $50 in leeches and it would be one less thing to portage and worry about. Still think it is an economic deal (US $ down & Gas prices) plus the border crossing isssues. We had a weird experience crossing back into the US. Don't know why they hassle a family (all with US Passports). Not like I handed them Saudi Passports with Student Visas. |
| CIIcanoe |
07/16/2007 08:24AM I agree, I don’t think it’s any one issue for fewer permits being issued. Higher gas prices, do or don’t I need a passport, the $20 per night camping fee at Prairie Portage compared to about $5 less at the other entry points, fishing issue and the fact you have to plan ahead in getting a RABC. Last year, I returned to the BWCA after several years. There seemed to be a lot more people there than when I’ve gone in prior years. It was a disappointment. I know there still are places in the BWCA that don’t have that many people, but I’ve been through a lot of them in my past travels. I like to see new areas. Most of the time you still have to go through the masses of people on the first day or two and hope to find a campsite. Yes, that may be a generalization, but there are three fourths less people that visit Quetico than the BWCA. Don’t misunderstand me, I’m not asking people to go to Quetico instead of the BWCA, I enjoy the solitude. I really enjoyed my time in Quetico this year. The only time I had a problem finding a campsite was on my way out and that was on the North Bay of Basswood. I did see some people in my travels, but I did cover 150 miles. Chuck I guess I would had one more generalization and observation, the Quetico is a much more rugged experience compared to the BWCA. I feel it's a much better accomplishment. I know that all people are different and want different things in a trip and that's fine. I do hope everyone who does a trip to have a good one and a safe one. That's really the most important things. Chuck |
| Trygve |
07/16/2007 07:21AM Yea, some sure don't like it. But those people just don't know how to catch fish. It's got to be a combination of prices, permiting, RABC issues, and all the other paperwork that some people need to slog through to get into the park. Oh well, their loss. |
| old_salt |
07/15/2007 11:11PM The outfitters I've talked to say it's the live bait ban. They are getting cancellations due to it. |
| Fish_Bones |
07/15/2007 07:03PM Notice that traffic was down on our July 1 - 7 trip. Put in at Beaverhouse and did not see another group for two days and we were camped at the point on Quetico were you make the turn south to Conk. Only saw one canoe two days later on Jesse. Then on our second to the last day on Pickerel & Batch, we saw a few more groups. Seemed traffic was way down, don't know if it is the dollar being down or gas prices or what. But it was nice to have the park to ourselves. |
| fishguts |
07/15/2007 05:24PM Wonderful! Our 2008 trip to Quetico should be in solitude!! No live bait, no barbed hooks and great fishing in solitude, who could ask for anything more. |
| CIIcanoe |
07/15/2007 04:46PM I just returned from Quetico and the receptionist from Prairie Portage told me that permits are way down this year. Chuck |
| Trygve |
07/15/2007 04:14PM There have been oodles of permits available for almost all Quetico Entry Points. So if you think that you waited too long, CALL FIRST!!!! I have gotten 3 permits this year for 1-3 days before the entry date and never had a problem with availability. |
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