Boundary Waters Quetico Forum :: Listening Point - General Discussion :: Artifacts
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canoeU2 |
Before I get jumped over for taking things out, I was a kid, about 13, and I don't even know if any laws were in place at that time, so save it. I actually would like to return it to any museum if any. The knife (spear point?) is about 4 inches long. |
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ObiWenonahKenobi |
quote TuscaroraBorealis: " On a recent trip to the Isle of Pines, my niece found a couple of old rusty bottle caps. Presumably from Dorothy's rootbeer days." I visited Dorothy's island in the summer of '87. She had passed away the previous winter. All her buildings and stuff had been removed but at the landing of her summer island close to that ribbon rock there were probably 2-300 bottle caps strewn on the shore. It almost seemed that the bottom had torn out of the bag in which they were being carried away. I picked up about a half dozen of them. I recall some of the ducks that she used to feed were there as well. They were a bit aggressive. On the main island where her winter cabin stood there was a brick left behind. I believe it was used as part of the cabins foundation. I stopped at the Isle of Pines every summer from 1979 until 1984 and then again that summer after her passing. Began paddling Quetico for many years. Didn't get back there for 18 years (2005). Hoping to stop there this summer to remember her. |
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Frenchy19 |
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missmolly |
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jeroldharter |
A roll of aluminum foil Coffee mate creamer Two unused rod holders in original packaging Unused packkage of Cabelas 1 oz pencil weights (almost a pound by itself) Size 13 Merrill shoes Variety of tent stakes, maybe 20 in all Huge tent, maybe an 8 man, in a nice Outdoor Research compression stuff sack Huge bag of tent poles that had small chain links for shock cords ~30 feet of brightly colored rope tied to a tree Some of the stuff was somewhat hidden, others in plain sight. How does someone forget all of that? We would have taken it out, but we still had several days to go and could not carry it. |
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Goldenbadger |
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Corsair |
quote kabloona: "quote Jiimaan: " Nice Pose! :) What a difference in time. I took my picture in 2011. What year did you take your pic? I do have the Long and Lat if anyone wants them. Shoot me an email. |
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snakecharmer |
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TuscaroraBorealis |
quote Wilderness Mama: "Logging camps and resorts are part of the BW history and many of us have enjoyed finding them and relating them to the area's past. The Forest Service is very specific about leaving them where they are and that's the reason I've never published the book. " Not really expecting an answer. Just thinking out loud. :) Seems kinda strange/inconsistent that the forest service would say that? When you consider the lengths they went to buy/force people out, all in the name of LNT & returning the area to "wilderness." I wonder....how do they make the determination that something is an artifact & not just garbage? Because that's literally what it all was at one time. Don't get me wrong. IMHO I think running across things such as this can be a very fascinating aspect (and would/can be a highlight) of travel in canoe country. And,it's even better when there's a story behind it. But, I just think it's an interesting quandary. For instance: Last spring my wife & I ran across a hidden camp up on Gadwall lake. Most of what was there was clearly fairly recently added. And, at the end of the day, we were both disgusted by the blatant disregard for the rules. But, there were a few items we stumbled across that had clearly been there for several decades. And, I must admit, was kinda cool to see. Certainly it seems that the extreme ends of this equation can clearly be defined as black & white. But, it also seems, there is a fair amount of "gray" area in the middle? :) Hope I didn't come across as preachy? I just think this topic provides some interesting food for thought? |
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Sierra1 |
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homerun23 |
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RaisedByBears99 |
Found at various times, pieces of pottery from the Laurel Culture (Cree), and beads and items fashioned from trade kettles (pendents or ear rings). Some of my older relations have found some very interesting things. |
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Goldenbadger |
I just shot you an email for the long lat. Thank you. |
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Savage Voyageur |
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Harv |
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PINETREE |
quote MagicPaddler: "Pinetree It was outlawed decades ago,unless I wonder if your seeing Native Canadian Indians trapping on the west side of Quetico? I wonder if Trapper cabins are actually Ranger cabins I think,they use to have them around the park. Now you got me wondering can somebody clear this up. |
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mooseplums |
quote starwatcher: " It is off the Bottle Portage...I've seen it many times. |
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HikingStick |
quote mcguiness22: "I don't know that I would call this an artifact, but I still have no idea what this may be from. It appears as though the rock has been scratched towards the little "hole" in the center. If anyone has any idea on what this may be from I would be quite curious. My only thought is possibly Native Americans used it as an area to start fires or make tools. That's clearly a gateway to the underworld. Just glad you weren't there while it was open. |
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Beemer01 |
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starwatcher |
Off the beaten track on a portage on our canoe trip to Argo, may be Bottle portage. starwatcher |
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PINETREE |
trapping Most of it is to the west. |
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MagicPaddler |
If you look at google earth you can see a trappers road leading from French Lake to McKenzie. I have here that there may be plans to maintain that road as a hiking trail. The cabin I found was on the west side of the park and was a blue tarp special. I also found a stash on a island wrapped in blue tarp. |
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MagicPaddler |
There was trapping in the park 2 years ago I do not know if it is still legal on not. There were several trappers cabins still in use in the park 2 years ago. Wallidave The Cow scow as I call it is near deadmans portage. From the North end of the portage follow the shore west. Most people do not go that way because of shallow water making you go around the islands then it is a paddle back to the shore. |
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TuscaroraBorealis |
quote Beemer01: "The foundation of an old Cabin on Bingshik - the remains of an old prospector's camp on This Man....the old Mine shaft off the Kek Trail.. " Is the Bingshick lake you refer to the one in the BWCAW along the Kekekabic hiking trail? |
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TuscaroraBorealis |
quote Basspro69: "Found Jimmy Hoffa on Mountain lake." Any Pictures???? ;-} |
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MrBreeze |
Still know where it is, not easy to get to, will never tell haha. |
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OffTheBeatenPath |
quote HowardSprague: " That looks like some of the trash I took home from my very first backpacking trip. lol What kind of a rookie did that? |
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Jiimaan |
How's this for an artifact? |
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HowardSprague |
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dprochef |
quote Frenchy19: "An old and pretty cool, at least in my opinion, latrine found on Slim Lake a couple of weeks ago. AHH The old "Wooden Throne" days. I remember those from when I first started going up there. I remember a couple that were sooo tall that you almost needed a rock to help get on top. |
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missmolly |
quote Frenchy19: "quote missmolly: "North of Quetico, I find lots of boats and a few trappers cabins, some of which are still being used." The code of the north is that no trapper's cabin can be locked, 'cause that cabin can save your life, so you may enter all of them, but I don't do anything other than open the door and see the hoary socks still hanging from a line. I once found a cabin built into a bank and you had to crawl to enter it. I loved that one. It was long deserted, but some of the abandoned trapping truck was still there. There are no toilets up yonder and that's a good thing. |
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wetcanoedog |
there is stuff laying around all over the place.just look around points and islands where you would tell yourself that it would be a good spot to move in and set up a cabin and never have to go home. as i don't want people to find these places and take away the cast iron nameplates and such lets just say i found this around LLC. one of the best artifacts i found was on a island near Tiger Bay.it was a fire grate made from ox shoes and iron bars.what made it so neat was that i had seen the same thing in a 1920's "make you own gear" camping book.the photo of it is on a slide someplace and i put the grate far back in the woods.it looked like one of those good ideas that did not work in real life as the iron bars that were to hold the pots had slumped to the ground from the heat..which is why the former owner tossed it back in the woods where i found it. |
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HangLoose |
We found this artifact very near our BWCAW campsite in June 2009. It is engraved "Mesker Brothers Iron Company. St. Louis, MO 42A" I think it is an old iron stove. Anybody know for sure what this is? |
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L.T.sully |
Only artifact I have ever found and taken out was the "lucky spoon" we found on the trip we forgot our silverware, it even had the owners name engraved on it, and you could tell it was rather old, but it was not near a logging camp. |
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HangLoose |
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otter1 |
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camp-n-scrap |
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marsonite |
This was in the late 80's. I'd like to think not many people had ever been to that camp since it closed or that jug would have been long gone. |
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Basspro69 |
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TuscaroraBorealis |
quote jamotrade: "This is probably part of the same line. Found it behind my campsite on narrows between Lake 4 and Hudson. There were pits around there too which had old snusboxes, glass bottles, and other old junk. We left it all as we found it. Wonder what, if anything, might be left of that after the Pagami Creek fire? Thanks for sharing. Here's a thread discussing some cabin remains in canoe country. old cabins Brainerd cabin |
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Frenchy19 |
quote missmolly: "North of Quetico, I find lots of boats and a few trappers cabins, some of which are still being used." Jealous...in the BW, it's just toilets filled to capacity. I need to move north in my travels. |
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TuscaroraBorealis |
quote OffTheBeatenPath: "quote HowardSprague: " Actually the policy for handling garbage years ago was to just dump it aways back in the woods. No doubt there are potentially many sites like this. |
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TomT |
On an island in Joyce Lake in the Q. Left from the fly in days? Joyce is pretty remote. |
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jamotrade |
quote RaisedByBears99: "quote TuscaroraBorealis: "quote RaisedByBears99: "I believe this is one of the trapper's shacks built by "Tame Tom Parent" and "Wild Bill Pemble" - part of the "Hundred Mile Trapline." Northern most shack was on Ottertrack." This is probably part of the same line. Found it behind my campsite on narrows between Lake 4 and Hudson. There were pits around there too which had old snusboxes, glass bottles, and other old junk. We left it all as we found it. |
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LuvMyBell |
quote jeroldharter: "Not exactly artifacts, but we were just at a campsite on Darky in Quetico and found a number of items someone inexplicably left behind: Sounds like someone left in a hurry. Emergency, possible....Scared by a persistent bear? |
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Zulu |
I like the old saw blade, jug and other items people have come across. |
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TuscaroraBorealis |
Guess I'll add the old saw blade located near Disappointment lake on the Old Pines Hiking Trail. |
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DeterminedOrange |
Old chain on Loon Lake, possibly a boom chain from logging days. Railroad iron of some type, Swan lake. Thanks for submitting everyone, some interesting stuff! |
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TuscaroraBorealis |
I think most everyone knows about the "monuments" along the border. This one is the Height of Land portage. LLC ranger cabin & boathouse. Located in the most SE bay of LLC just south of Bottle portage. Airplane wreckage on Zenith lake My wife found this old scout knife at the narrows site on Cherry lake. Sign on tree. Gadwall lake Survey marker on Pine lake (EP #68) camp #735 Old trappers cabin on the Crooked lake end of portage trail to Gillis. |
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DeterminedOrange |
Thanks for sharing your pictures! |
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fisherjay |
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Canoearoo |
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paddlefamily |
quote Jiimaan: " seen this one too. did you notice the old bed frames too? |
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TuscaroraBorealis |
quote DeterminedOrange: "TB, When did you take the pic of the Zenith airplane? It looks like more parts have been taken off since I last saw it. May 2010. Here's a picture of the wing. There was some "stuff" kinda off to the side. Including a mason jar. Hard to tell what the rest really was. |
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RaisedByBears99 |
quote TuscaroraBorealis: "....a few more I believe this is one of the trapper's shacks built by "Tame Tom Parent" and "Wild Bill Pemble" - part of the "Hundred Mile Trapline." Northern most shack was on Ottertrack. |
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TuscaroraBorealis |
quote RaisedByBears99: "I believe this is one of the trapper's shacks built by "Tame Tom Parent" and "Wild Bill Pemble" - part of the "Hundred Mile Trapline." Northern most shack was on Ottertrack." Thanks for the quick history lesson. I really appreciate it. Those type of things really intrigue/interest me. |
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mcguiness22 |
Thoughts? |
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RaisedByBears99 |
quote TuscaroraBorealis: "quote RaisedByBears99: "I believe this is one of the trapper's shacks built by "Tame Tom Parent" and "Wild Bill Pemble" - part of the "Hundred Mile Trapline." Northern most shack was on Ottertrack." Approx every ten miles they had a shack and a dugout canoe. A 2nd cousin of mine has one of the dugouts. Very nice piece of work. Ive seen another, back in a bog on the edge of a lake, but I'm not 100%a sure which lake. Will check with my uncle. In bwca though. |
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Wallidave |
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airmorse |
Both photo's taken while camping on Moosecamp lake. Most eastern campsite. |
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bdavid1157 |
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Goldenbadger |
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wetcanoedog |
as a collector of Classic Camp Stoves i thought this bit of old camp trash was interesting. among the other rusting junk was this Coleman Gaz cart with the rubber bulb valve connector.no longer made of course they were used on Hank Roberts, Coleman Picnic Gaz stove and a few others. carts like that when found in old hardware stores or off the grid sporting shops are posted as great finds at the stove collectors site. |
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kabloona |
quote Jiimaan: " Time for a big block and TH-400 can you say rat rod? |
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TuscaroraBorealis |
quote Harv: "I've seen a lot of the stuff mentioned above. I would like to dive down once by falls / rapids just to see all the stuff! I'm sure more stuff has accumulated since this took place. But, if you're interested in that sort of thing? Check out Voices from the rapids Also here's a recent thread about a find on the Kawishiwi river. Kawishiwi river artifacts |
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fitgers1 |
quote Wallidave: "Cache Point...old latrine from when the ranger cabin was located here. I've seen a few double hole outhouse's in the past. We even had one at our deer hunting shabin for a few years. I wonder if two people actually ever sat next to each other on the crapper. Or, did it just allow for a bigger hole to be dug so it would take longer to fill it? |
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inspector13 |
quote TuscaroraBorealis: "Not sure what is is, or was, but we ran across some old wooden lumber just off the Little Beartrack portage landing of the portage to Gun lake. " It looks like pieces of an old boat transom. That is what the shape reminds me of anyway. |
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MagicPaddler |
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Wallidave |
quote MagicPaddler: "No one has posted a picture of what I think is the scow used to transport a cow to Saganagons neato...where's this at? Like to see it. |
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fitgers1 |
quote inspector13: "quote TuscaroraBorealis: "Not sure what is is, or was, but we ran across some old wooden lumber just off the Little Beartrack portage landing of the portage to Gun lake. " I thought boat as well. I also thought maybe parts of an old lumber days log ski skid but it doesn't look old enough for that. |
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pajeff |
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QuietWaters |
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emptynest56 |
quote LuvMyBell: "quote jeroldharter: "Not exactly artifacts, but we were just at a campsite on Darky in Quetico and found a number of items someone inexplicably left behind: |
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PINETREE |
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pamonster |
A bunch of artifacts (old gas pump and containers, bed fame, chains, ect) at the campsite on the east side of Angleworm (accessible from both trail and canoe). Lots of rusted cans and bottles too, was really tempted to keep one but I can enjoy the pictures and everyone else can enjoy the artifacts later. |
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Beemer01 |
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TuscaroraBorealis |
Another find on Sea Gull lake. look here |
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tom m |
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bottomtothetap |
quote HikingStick: "quote mcguiness22: "I don't know that I would call this an artifact, but I still have no idea what this may be from. It appears as though the rock has been scratched towards the little "hole" in the center. If anyone has any idea on what this may be from I would be quite curious. My only thought is possibly Native Americans used it as an area to start fires or make tools. Haven't you all just seen the new "Avengers" movie? It's the Incredible Hulk's sphincter! |
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starman |
quote TuscaroraBorealis: "quote jamotrade: "This is probably part of the same line. Found it behind my campsite on narrows between Lake 4 and Hudson. There were pits around there too which had old snusboxes, glass bottles, and other old junk. We left it all as we found it. Pagami fire didn't bother that site at all, I have been there since. The two holes in the ground were most likely: one for food storage, and one for furs... |
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Tariacuri |
Though the level of the lakes has changed over the last couple millennia in general a good campsite or portage today was a good campsite or portage centuries ago. I find it amazing to think that there might have been people sitting by a canoe watching the sunset on my favorite rock, on my favorite lake, hundreds of years ago, just as I would today. If you find something (older then 50 years or so) take a GPS point and a photo, leave things undisturbed, and tell a ranger on the way out so they can add it to the official register (BWCA) or in Quetico they keep a log in the library at the Dawson Trail Heritage Pavillion. It is illegal in the US to disturb or remove archaeological materials or human burials on Federal or State lands and I would hate to see somebody on the wrong side of the law for a quick mistake. The same holds for Canada . . and . . if you bring something archaeological across the border things can go bad really quickly. Plus - morally and ethically - leaving things in place is the right thing to do!! Oops, just fell off my soapbox Chris |
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otter1 |
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alpine525 |
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gutmon |
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Wilderness Mama |
wildernessmama@yahoo.com |
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rlhedlund |
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otter1 |
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Wilderness Mama |
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wetcanoedog |
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Wilderness Mama |
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Jeriatric |
quote wetcanoedog: "one of the best artifacts i found was on a island near Tiger Bay.it was a fire grate made from ox shoes and iron bars.what made it so neat was that i had seen the same thing in a 1920's "make you own gear" camping book." After googling, I now know what ox shoes are, or can be. A few of the hits refer to metal plates that could be attached to the feet of two-toed ungulates while the majority of hits refer to items such as "ox shoes for girls." |
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Ingvald |
quote Basspro69: "Found Jimmy Hoffa on Mountain lake." How's he doing? |
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brp1 |
I was looking at the bottom as we glided by one time and I saw a sunken row boat. It looked to be in good condition, it had some rocks in it, but not enough to sink it. I also found a RubberMaid bin behind a campsite on the Kawishiwi River, nice. |
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MrBreeze |
quote paddlefamily: "quote Jiimaan: " Looks like the old car on Crooked Lake, Friday Bay I think, that was back in the 70's when I saw it. |
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TuscaroraBorealis |
quote fisherjay: "I dont want to hi jack the thread, but i'll be in the crooked lake area, other than the pictos and the waterfalls, what other artifacts can i see nearby for pictures..." More of a natural "artifact." But Table Rock is located on Crooked lake. Also, there is an old resort site near Curtain Falls. If you poke around there a bit you're likely to find some things. I know there is plane wreckage near there. |
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arctic |
Considering how long people have been in North America there must be a LOT of stuff out there. |
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RaisedByBears99 |
quote jamotrade: "quote TuscaroraBorealis: "quote jamotrade: "This is probably part of the same line. Found it behind my campsite on narrows between Lake 4 and Hudson. There were pits around there too which had old snusboxes, glass bottles, and other old junk. We left it all as we found it. Wow! Parent descendents still live on the north shore and at Grand Portage rez. I should ccheck see if anyone knows just which lakes line encompassed. I've always suspected Parent Lake - by Disappointment, is one. |
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YaMarVa |
quote fitgers1: "quote mcguiness22: "I don't know that I would call this an artifact, but I still have no idea what this may be from. It appears as though the rock has been scratched towards the little "hole" in the center. If anyone has any idea on what this may be from I would be quite curious. My only thought is possibly Native Americans used it as an area to start fires or make tools. Rock scratching rock during the glacial epoch? |
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jamotrade |
quote TuscaroraBorealis: "quote jamotrade: "This is probably part of the same line. Found it behind my campsite on narrows between Lake 4 and Hudson. There were pits around there too which had old snusboxes, glass bottles, and other old junk. We left it all as we found it. Hadn't even thought of that. I suppose it's not there anymore... |
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fitgers1 |
quote mcguiness22: "I don't know that I would call this an artifact, but I still have no idea what this may be from. It appears as though the rock has been scratched towards the little "hole" in the center. If anyone has any idea on what this may be from I would be quite curious. My only thought is possibly Native Americans used it as an area to start fires or make tools. Looks fairly natural to me. I agree it could have been used to start a fire though. |
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Harv |
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TuscaroraBorealis |
There are several remnants in and around the Jack Lake mine. |