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Boundary Waters Quetico Forum Listening Point - General Discussion Found old trapper shack on Seagull Lake |
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05/30/2013 04:42PM
While exploring, I noticed a large dirt mound. The mound looked a bit out of place. But I wanted to get a better look. So I climbed to the top of the mount. I noticed a ceramic square vent pipe coming out of the top. The pipe was an old form of drainage tile that farmers used.
So, I looked a bit further and found a doorway. The shelter had cement/cinder block walls. It was about 8'x8'x8'. The cinder blocks were covered with about 1-2 feet of dirt. The door extended out the front.
The entire shelter looked like a big grass/dirt igloo.
Do you think it was an old trappers shack? Seems like a lot of work to haul in blocks and concrete but it wouldn't be that hard before the motor ban.
So, I looked a bit further and found a doorway. The shelter had cement/cinder block walls. It was about 8'x8'x8'. The cinder blocks were covered with about 1-2 feet of dirt. The door extended out the front.
The entire shelter looked like a big grass/dirt igloo.
Do you think it was an old trappers shack? Seems like a lot of work to haul in blocks and concrete but it wouldn't be that hard before the motor ban.
Fish where the fish are...
05/30/2013 04:51PM
Probably was a trapper shack. No artifacts or other clues to help decide what it was? Any idea on the age of it or if it is still used at all?
Cool find!
Cool find!
“What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us.” Ralph Waldo Emerson...and...“Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading".
05/30/2013 05:00PM
The door was extended like an igloo. Part of that "tube" had fallen in.
The inside of the shelter was full of old sheet metal. Maybge some sort of summer auxially shelter.
No sign of use for at least 10-20 years.
The inside of the shelter was full of old sheet metal. Maybge some sort of summer auxially shelter.
No sign of use for at least 10-20 years.
Fish where the fish are...
05/30/2013 06:01PM
quote inspector13: "
Could it have been a root cellar or ice house for a resort that had been removed?
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+1
The two loudest sounds known to man: a gun that goes bang when it is supposed to go click and a gun that goes click when it is supposed to go bang.
05/30/2013 07:09PM
Good eye is right! I love finding old structures. I found one trapper's cabin at the end of a narrow winding river and it still had drying racks, which was cool. I just wrote a book where a trapper's cabin plays a big role.
I will paddle eternal, Kevlar and carbon.
05/30/2013 08:02PM
It was a little ways south of Lake Missinabi, which is north of Chapleau, which is in Ontario a ways north of Sudbury. I found another one that you had to crawl to enter. The socks were still on the line and there were lots of old cans that were rusted.
I will paddle eternal, Kevlar and carbon.
05/30/2013 10:18PM
Way to pay attention to the details to find that. Thanks for the pictures. I'd still lean toward a trapper. Heck, someone may have actually lived out of it. Never know. Definitely check with the museum.
“What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us.” Ralph Waldo Emerson...and...“Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading".
05/31/2013 04:59AM
quote inspector13: "
Could it have been a root cellar or ice house for a resort that had been removed?"
That's the most likely answer.
They were very common, many years ago.
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05/31/2013 08:59AM
The piping visible near the front entrance appears to be metal, what type and to what purpose? These clues might give some idea of how old it is and what the useage was.
Great stuff! Thx for sharing.
Great stuff! Thx for sharing.
We always have time and money for what's important to us
05/31/2013 09:30AM
Well, a trapper's cabin is a romantic idea, but it would have to be one crazy trapper to build a concrete bunker and bury it under 1 to 2 feet of dirt for a cabin.
Most likely a root cellar, used to keep vegetables during the winter. The other possibility is an ice house, but it doesn't really look like it would hold much ice. I always thought they were above ground, but I don't know for sure.
I have seen root cellars in the north woods before. I know logging camps used them sometimes.
Most likely a root cellar, used to keep vegetables during the winter. The other possibility is an ice house, but it doesn't really look like it would hold much ice. I always thought they were above ground, but I don't know for sure.
I have seen root cellars in the north woods before. I know logging camps used them sometimes.
05/31/2013 09:46AM
quote marsonite: "Well, a trapper's cabin is a romantic idea, but it would have to be one crazy trapper to build a concrete bunker and bury it under 1 to 2 feet of dirt for a cabin.
Most likely a root cellar, used to keep vegetables during the winter. The other possibility is an ice house, but it doesn't really look like it would hold much ice. I always thought they were above ground, but I don't know for sure.
I have seen root cellars in the north woods before. I know logging camps used them sometimes. "
So loggers eat canned vegetables and trappers don't? Must have been a pretty small camp if that's all the bigger it was.
He leads me beside quiet waters, he restores my soul. Psalm 23:2/3
05/31/2013 11:02AM
quote inspector13: "
That looks a lot like the root cellar my grandparents had on the farm. Maybe the Kerfoots or the people at the Chick-Wauk museum would know. Do you have a location?"
inspector, based on your recommendation, I contacted the Chick-Wauk museum. Here is there reply:
From your pictures, I can’t tell if you’re on the north or south shore of Seagull, but my educated guess is that you stumbled onto the remains of one of the resorts that used to be on the western part of Seagull Lake. Before the Thye-Blatnik Act of 1948, there were two resorts (Wildwood and Windigo Point) and several cabins in the part of Seagull Lake now in the BWCAW. In early 1950s, these structures were removed (many were just moved down the lake – for example, Wildwood Lodge became Sea Island Lodge) but there is still evidence of these businesses and structures if you look closely enough. I believe there is a campsite in the general vicinity of Wildwood Lodge on the north side of Seagull, because there are still domesticated tea roses blooming on that campsite.
We have a great book about the history of Seagull Lake in our library called “Ki-osh-kons: People, Places, and Stories of Sea Gull Lake” which was self-published by Janna Webster a few years back. When you’re in the area next, swing by the museum and give it a skim – it’s a pretty fascinating look at the “old timers” of Seagull Lake. I’ve attached a map from the book which shows property locations on Seagull Lake which might help you identify what you found, or at least what property it might have been part of.
As to the purpose of the structure you found, I can only guess. It seems likely that it could be a root cellar; it also might have just been a shed that resort/cabin owners used to store their extra “stuff.”
Let me know if you have any other questions.
Kind regards,
Ada Igoe
Fish where the fish are...
05/31/2013 11:22AM
quote Ragged: "quote Mad_Angler: "The structure was near the Wildwood Lodge."
Cool info! Thanks! You should upload the map they sent, I would love to see it! "
I tried to upload it. But it is a pdf and would not upload...
Fish where the fish are...
05/31/2013 12:05PM
quote Mad_Angler: "
I tried to upload it. But it is a pdf and would not upload..."
Use a snipping tool or screen shot to save the image as a JPG?
If not feel free to send it to me and I'll figure out a way!
He leads me beside quiet waters, he restores my soul. Psalm 23:2/3
05/31/2013 12:11PM
quote Ragged: "quote marsonite: "Well, a trapper's cabin is a romantic idea, but it would have to be one crazy trapper to build a concrete bunker and bury it under 1 to 2 feet of dirt for a cabin.
Most likely a root cellar, used to keep vegetables during the winter. The other possibility is an ice house, but it doesn't really look like it would hold much ice. I always thought they were above ground, but I don't know for sure.
I have seen root cellars in the north woods before. I know logging camps used them sometimes. "
So loggers eat canned vegetables and trappers don't? Must have been a pretty small camp if that's all the bigger it was.
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Obviously we will never know exactly what it was unless someone goes in and finds more clues. Why wouldn't a trapper build a below ground shelter? That's some pretty good insulation in the winter. Probably warmer than an old crappy wood shack. I don't think it was for ice. I doubt someone would have used concrete for ice. I can see it being a root cellar now that I know it may have been part of a resort. But why would it be so close to the water? I think a root cellar would be made farther away from the water. I doubt they made anything permanant out of concrete like that for a logging camp.
I'm sticking with a trapper. Someone made it strong to last a long time and they covered it with dirt so that it wouldn't be found after everyone was kicked out of the area. Just an off the wall thought.
Oh well. Could have been a root cellar.
“What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us.” Ralph Waldo Emerson...and...“Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading".
05/31/2013 12:19PM
Great stuff Mad Angler!
I love these articles about the past History of Quetico-Superior. The follow up information from the Chick-Wauk Museum is also interesting. I look forward to seeing the map.
Thanks for sharing the pictures and information of your find.
Hans Solo
Water reflects not only clouds and trees and cliffs, but all the infinite variations of mind and spirit we bring to it. – Sigurd Olson
05/31/2013 12:28PM
I would really doubt it was a trapper. Way too much time and investment for a small operation like a lone trapper. Now if there was a history of trappers using concrete for structure maybe but I don't think I have ever heard of or seen a concrete trappers cabin.
Most likely part of the resort. One other thing to think about would be to see if there were any CCC camps in the area. Some resorts were the result of abandoned CCC camps.
Most likely part of the resort. One other thing to think about would be to see if there were any CCC camps in the area. Some resorts were the result of abandoned CCC camps.
The best thing one can do when it's raining is to let it rain. Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
05/31/2013 12:58PM
quote Mad_Angler: "How about this:
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Great! Thanks! Been through Seagull so many times on the quest for those Alpine Walleyes, start to take it for granted, kind of cool to have this map and be able to add a new view of the landscape even if its just in my head!
He leads me beside quiet waters, he restores my soul. Psalm 23:2/3
05/31/2013 03:49PM
Nice hump...a little paint, a couple of throw pillows. Thank you for sharing, great pics....the history of the BWCA is exciting. That igloo style was made to last with the cinder & cement. Thinking its from a resort, not trappers, but I know shinola about trappers. Maybe these were high roller trappers with their fancy cement blocks. Those metal sheets look like old shelving with the rivet holes-if thats what they are-standard with a root cellar. I am thinking it was a root cellar not just a shed, with the igloo shape & narrow opening...otherwise it might have a bigger door on there.
It does not matter how slowly you go, as long as you do not stop. -Confucius
05/31/2013 04:19PM
Thank you mad angler. I'm looking forward to putting this map to use.
“What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us.” Ralph Waldo Emerson...and...“Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading".
05/31/2013 04:31PM
Very cool beans!!!
I always find this sort of thing incredibly fascinating. Thanks for taking the time to post and doing the research too.
For those that may be interested. Here is an old thread discussing other abandoned cabins.
And, Cool spots in canoe country
I always find this sort of thing incredibly fascinating. Thanks for taking the time to post and doing the research too.
For those that may be interested. Here is an old thread discussing other abandoned cabins.
And, Cool spots in canoe country
06/01/2013 11:05PM
quote missmolly: "Good eye is right! I love finding old structures. I found one trapper's cabin at the end of a narrow winding river and it still had drying racks, which was cool. I just wrote a book where a trapper's cabin plays a big role."missmolly...where can I find your writing?
Buy the ticket, take the ride .Dr. Hunter S. Thompson
06/01/2013 11:50PM
quote h20: "quote missmolly: "Good eye is right! I love finding old structures. I found one trapper's cabin at the end of a narrow winding river and it still had drying racks, which was cool. I just wrote a book where a trapper's cabin plays a big role."missmolly...where can I find your writing?"
id like to know too
06/02/2013 08:33AM
quote h20: "quote missmolly: "Good eye is right! I love finding old structures. I found one trapper's cabin at the end of a narrow winding river and it still had drying racks, which was cool. I just wrote a book where a trapper's cabin plays a big role."missmolly...where can I find your writing?"
This manuscript is still on my desktop. I write 50-60 magazine articles every year, which might not sound like much, but many require four to eight interviews, some of those interviewees are people with polysyllabic titles, and betitled people are slippery as newts dipped in corn oil, so I write stuff I want to write and it just sits, such as the trapper's cabin novel and another. Plus, I'm on the lecture circuit, which mostly means being sausage-stuffed into a car or a plane and when I get home, submitting a manuscript, which is complicated, is the last thing I want to do.
The BWCA plays a part in the trapper's cabin novel thanks to you guys. If I sell it, I'll let you know.
P.S. - I've written some outdoor/fishing articles, but no more because joining vocation and avocation sucks the bliss out of the latter. If you want a couple I wrote for Gray's Sporting Journal, provide your email and I'll share them.
I will paddle eternal, Kevlar and carbon.
06/03/2013 05:11AM
There is a root cellar just like that on the adjoining property to my own. The vent is largely to reduce moisture within, as canning lids rust quite easily. It was likely built close to the lake, as that was where there was good ground to build one. Also, they likely hauled sand or gravel from a nearby beach for the concrete.
“The more you know, the less you carry” Mors Kochanski
02/12/2014 07:39PM
I would guess that it's a root cellar, or possibly a boat house due to the proximity to the shore and Wildwood Lodge Resort.
There is a recent book titled Getting The Wilderness In You by William Sanderson. That same map of Seagull is in it, along with a bit of information about the people that used live on Seagull. And much information about Rolf Skrien, a relative of mine that moved to Seagull Lake after WWII, and later started the Way Of The Wilderness Resort, and starred in some Hamns Beer adds.
There is a recent book titled Getting The Wilderness In You by William Sanderson. That same map of Seagull is in it, along with a bit of information about the people that used live on Seagull. And much information about Rolf Skrien, a relative of mine that moved to Seagull Lake after WWII, and later started the Way Of The Wilderness Resort, and starred in some Hamns Beer adds.
02/13/2014 02:27AM
quote Mad_Angler: "While exploring, I noticed a large dirt mound. The mound looked a bit out of place. But I wanted to get a better look. So I climbed to the top of the mount. I noticed a ceramic square vent pipe coming out of the top. The pipe was an old form of drainage tile that farmers used.
So, I looked a bit further and found a doorway. The shelter had cement/cinder block walls. It was about 8'x8'x8'. The cinder blocks were covered with about 1-2 feet of dirt. The door extended out the front.
The entire shelter looked like a big grass/dirt igloo.
Do you think it was an old trappers shack? Seems like a lot of work to haul in blocks and concrete but it wouldn't be that hard before the motor ban."
I don't see concrete or cinder block in any of those pictures. Looks instead more like the old slip form construction. The builders would set two sided forms usually 2' or 3' tall around the perimeter of the floor. Fill the forms with concrete and rock. Once the concrete cured the forms were broke loose and raised to the top of the first pour. The process was repeated till the walls were at the desired height. I didn't look close at the ceiling but would guess that it is probably a concrete cast type construction. Since the concrete could be made from sand right on site, this was a very practical way to build in areas were there were no roads. Many old barns and basements of this style are still around and in excellent condition.
Bruceye
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