Boundary Waters Quetico Forum :: Listening Point - General Discussion :: Difinitive bwca google earth map w/ high res topo overlay
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Minnesotian |
Voyageur, load it into Google Earth. |
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Troutman |
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butthead |
Some other mapping programs I indulge in; Delorme Topo 9 Maptech Terrain Navigator There is a lot that can be done with software mapping, and a variety of resources online and off. butthead |
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Voyageur |
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moss13 |
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slackard |
for those with systems not up to spec, try loading the kmz through the google maps webpage instead, you may see a modest performance increase Follow this url to view the kmz in google maps: http://tinyurl.com/2eh36ho its not quite as easy to use in the google maps webpage, and the usgs topo overlays dont show up, but you can use the google maps terrain/aireal settings instead. also, at high zoom in google maps the waypoints will appear a little offset to the north.. no idea why, the coordinates for each waypoint are unchanged. just something to be aware of. Good luck |
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slackard |
my apache logs show several mac users accessing the links with both safari and firefox. try copying and pasting http://www.polymetric.net/bwcaw_v0.1.1.kmz into your address bar, rather than clicking the link as for files renamed to .man.. no idea.. if the file is complete and 549kb in size, try just renaming it back to .kmz and opening it in google earth.. cant promise this map will work for everyone any other mac users out there having trouble andor success? |
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gbusk |
quote slackard: "no idea why the file extension would change or why a mac wouldnt work. sounds like client side issues to me, but could be related to how this site hands off the urls... "Sounds client side", I like that. Calling me the idiot that I may very well be and making me smile. That is what I believe they call tact. |
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slackard |
I actually blame apple for 'thinking different', and going against the grain over long established norms in cross platform computing! Damn those damn dirty resource forks! Damn them to hell! |
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slackard |
sometimes i have trouble with a few tiles here and there too.. the problem is the terraservice.net servers may not be responding quickly enough, and google earth times out assuming the link is broken. if a lot of people were using my kmz at once i could see it giving the terraservice.net admins a headache ;) side notes.. as i said before as well, someone could write a script to capture, rename and update the jpeg overlay tiles in the kmz so they are sourced locally. however this kind of thing is not my expertise, and tho ive done a few by hand, there are a lot of tiles, and it would take me more time by hand than it would take someone else to write a script ;) also, including the jpgs would greatly increase the size of the kmz itself, making it much less accessible since i cant afford to have dozens of ppl (or more) downloading hundreds of megs each from my wussy little web server.. the 500kb kmz im hosting now is no problem.. thus far, around 100 hits since i started this thread. |
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adam |
I don't think terraservice.net is the correct address anymore. They change domain names a while back so that might be the problem. Try changing the domain name to msrmaps.com Adam |
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slackard |
if you have a newer garmin GPS like the 62, colorado, dakota, or oregon, and visit Brule Lake, check out my giant resolution Brule Lake Custom Map here: https://forums.garmin.com/showthread.php?t=11418 the map consists of about 36 1000x1000px tiles covering nearly all of Brule and its nearest neighbors, stretching about 9 miles wide by 4 tall. Plenty of info at the garmin forum for loading this and other custom maps on your garmin. |
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Savage Voyageur |
quote slackard: "no idea why the file extension would change or why a mac wouldnt work. sounds like client side issues to me, but could be related to how this site hands off the urls... Mac user here...I would like to download this but no luck. |
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slackard |
try Control-clicking on this link, then select "save as", and chose a location like your desktop to save the file. http://www.polymetric.net/bwcaw_v0.1.1.kmz (control-click and save as) then open google earth and choose file -> open and choose the file you saved. we have a mac at work, and i can test this tomorrow. |
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Amok |
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gbusk |
I have a Mac and the above addresses cannot be found by either me or my Mac!?!?!? |
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mjmkjun |
Thanks. |
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slackard |
http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/kml_overlay The usgs tile urls in the kmz I'm providing are up to date at the time of this post and do point to terraservice.net. e.g. http://tinyurl.com/2fhou4n if you get the Red X, find that tile in the layers dialogue, and "refresh". Glad to hear ppl are liking it |
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slackard |
Download the v0.1.3 map here (Includes Treasure Map Overlay, 120mb) http://www.polymetric.net/bwcaw_maps_v0.1.3.kmz Download the v0.1.2 map here (Includes USGS TOPO overlay only, 85mb) http://www.polymetric.net/bwcaw_maps_v0.1.2.kmz Download the v0.1.2 map here (Lite version, 450kb) http://www.polymetric.net/bwcaw_lite_v0.1.2.kmz |
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croixboy96 |
There is also a built in flight simulator under 'tools' that you can fly a fighter or a prop plane around your favorite BWCA lakes. Juts in case anyone needed to waste some time. I've been doing some low passes of Vista Lake...pretty cool! Croixboy |
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Swascelot |
Thanks! |
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slackard |
quote Thaumaturgist: "I was able to send the files this morning, so the full version will be here soon." I received the files Thaum sent me but havent had time to look at them yet. Just got back from a solo trip to Brule--3 straight days of wind andor rain with no sun.. Everyone loves packing/paddling out in the rain! FUN! When I get a chance I will post updated version and link info for the Full and Lite versions announced last week. Thanks again to Thaumaturgist for his work handling the USGS Topo tiles. |
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Brent |
quote kanoes: "TMI can really ruin a trip. im not saying some level of information cant be helpful, im saying its possible to spend so much time on research that, when you actually get there, youve already "been there"...and you have lost the excitement of discovery. i dont want to be a robot following waypoints...thats just me." I see what you're saying Jan. However I must have went over your trip report for the Frost River loop about a dozen times. One of my favorite parts of the trip was rediscovering those crazy mushrooms that were growing on the side of the tree. I saw the pictures of them in your trip report so for me it was really great to see them up there. It was almost like an old portage that I had been on several times before. Just a fun memory... thought I'd share. |
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Brent |
Now here's to hoping the waypoints are accurate! :) |
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tremolo |
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iridium7777 |
anyways, what i've been doing is downloading all of the 2019 USGS 24K quads in KMZ file and have been breaking them up for garmin size limits. i'm about 45% done mapping all of the BW, i'll dump these files on my box drive when i'm done. it looks something like this: https://ngmdb.usgs.gov/ht-bin/tv_browse.pl?id=b61ec23bf5a2f1daa0cd168123fd9f24 |
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snapcrackpop |
And here is what it looks like without a data connection: To use google earth offline, look at your areas with a data connection (zoomed in), then exit GE. The data will be saved in cache. (In settings you can adjust the size of cache.) You can still use the GPS without a data connection. Then open your downloads and select the file to pull it up again in GE. Just remember to not use GE after saving your desired area to cache or you might overwrite it with newer data. I can still see campsites that i saved to screenshot: Otherwise here is a great external power for electronics link |
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Saberboys |
I also use Bing Maps after a discovery on your Google Earth app because of it's great clarity. THANK YOU!! |
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flopnfolds |
And my work computer loads this stuff lightening fast, much better than my home computer! |
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schweady |
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slackard |
quote PJ: "This is awesome. because even with a script this can not be automated. The lake names that are in there were entered by hand, one at a time by looking at the image, choosing the largest lake on that tile and typing it in manually.. a script could automate migrating the names I have entered from the 60% opaque folders to the other, but the rest that remain completely unnamed would need to be entered by hand. Even tho the tile isnt named, the image itself still shows the lake names in the map image. originally i had planed to flesh this map out a lot more before i released it, but haven't worked on it in a good while and have many other things happening , so I decided to release it as is. hence version 0.1 instead of 1.0. If I ever get around to improving the map ill update this post and increment the version. if anyone has the ambition help name the tiles andor automate any of this i welcome it. Like I said, it lacks polish, but is plenty useful as is. |
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slackard |
with safari 5.0.3 on 10.5.8 i was only able to access the kmz by Control-Clicking and choosing "Download Linked File As..." Once saved locally, the kmz can be opened from within google earth by choosing File -> Open. what we call "client side" :D |
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Rapid Runner |
very nice work on the map overlay, thanks! |
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Amok |
Awesome stuff here. I'm gonna drop you an email Slackard, it'll be self-explanatory. |
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scoobe421 |
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Amok |
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slackard |
http://www.polymetric.net/bwcaw_v0.1.1.kmz (Remember Safari users, control click and "download linked as...") |
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schweady |
Clicked on link. Double-clicked on resulting downloaded file. Enjoyed enhanced Google Earth experience. Thanks. |
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mirth |
I look forward to the new version with local tiles. Even with a really fast connection it sometimes takes forever for it to fill in. |
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Minnesotian |
quote slackard: "As promised, I've added the PMA zones to the map. Download the updated version here: This is an awesome tool to have. Thanks so much for constructing this. |
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PINETREE |
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butthead |
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slackard |
WOW,BEYOND MY ABILITY Heh! if "save as" and "file -> open" are too much to handle, you've got no business using a computer let alone this map :P Plenty of notes in earlier posts on how to get this thing rolling. If you have a specific issue, drop a note here and i'll try to address. |
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slackard |
quote flopnfolds: "Too bad it doesn't have more quetico data ;) This is something I'd like to add.. If someone knows where i can get Quetico campsite & portage trailhead waypoints, andor tracks I'll add them. (I just havent had time to look for this data myself). The real drawback is the USGS Topo overlays that make this map what it is are not available for Quetico, so a quetico map will never be quite as complete as the US side of the boarder.. We could buy the Fisker/McKinsey maps, scan them on the wide scanner at kinkos, then overlay the scanned images in Google Earth. This is very doable, but wide scans run about 12$ each + the price of the maps, not to mention it would be very time consuming. (we could do this for the US side too, but the usgs data is plendy good IMO) If there is serious interest I'll set up a Donate button in the next map release and we'll see if we can get enough interest (and donations) to actually get Quetico Topo mapped in Google earth. |
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slackard |
quote Thaumaturgist: "I've downloaded, and linked all of the individual maps, but the file is quite huge (100 Megs). If you know of a place where it can be hosted, I'll be glad to put it up somewhere." did you do this manually? too much effort for me!! ive started the manual process in the past, but never got very far.. Creating the tiles in the first place probly took even longer (prly why im not too motivated) I can toss up a hosted copy if you send it to me. Hit me with and email or a private message and i can get you an upload account to push me the files (not for public discussion) |
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Thaumaturgist |
E-Mail sent. |
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slackard |
So the USGS topo overlays from the map I originally posted now have out-of-date urls in the image links. Basically what used to be terraservice.net has become msrmaps.com. I updated my map with the current/correct urls for the image overlays. In the next couple months ill work on actually storing the images locally and including them in the kmz (doing so will drastically increase file size--178 tiles, at about 500kB each). Having the images stored locally will also reduce the load on the msrmaps website (which they may appreciate, if this map starts to see wider use). Get the updated version of my map here: http://www.polymetric.net/bwcaw_v0.1.2.kmz |
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iridium7777 |
my idea is to use kmzfactory to break it up into garmin consumable smaller tiles and use it in basecamp/gpsmaps 66. thanks much for any response. |
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x2jmorris |
iridium7777: "i'm sorry to be reviving an 8 year old thread -- but the below domain is no longer valid nor are there any backups available on the timemachine -- is the below file still in existence somewhere and if so could please someone share it with me? Lol I was trying to open the stuff too and was wondering why it wasn't working. Hope you find someone who has it though. |
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TuscaroraBorealis |
quote slackard: "Yea, not sure who to talk to about getting this pinned for higher visibility Your best bet would be to e-mail Adam directly. Contact |
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schweady |
quote slackard: "here is the link to the Full Version of the map (89MB) Hey, slackard... you still hanging around? As part of re-constructing my data on a new iMac after a crash (ALMOST had everything on the old one backed up...) I downloaded the Full Version of v0.1.2, above. When viewing it in Google Earth is shows in My Places as bwcaw Maps v0.1.1.kmz. Still amazing work, but I wonder if I am missing out on some updated stuff. Thanks again for this. |
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Sasquatch |
WonderMonkey: "Everything worked fine with the exception of red X's for campsites and portages. That's easily taken care of. I did notice Quetico wasn't as far along as BWCAW, but still much appreciated. I can add Quetico on my own if it's not already done." Care to enlighten me on how to fix those darn red Xs? |
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butthead |
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RC123 |
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mirth |
Edit: Page is live. You can find it here |
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WonderMonkey |
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schweady |
WonderMonkey: "Everything worked fine with the exception of red X's for campsites and portages. That's easily taken care of. I did notice Quetico wasn't as far along as BWCAW, but still much appreciated. I can add Quetico on my own if it's not already done." Yeah, it's been ages since I've even looked at this. Just have it tucked away in my Google Earth app. So many other sources have these USGS topography images that I forget it's here. (But, eight years back, it certainly was the cats!) In Google Earth, I simply uncheck Entry Points, Campsites, and Portages in the bwcaw_maps file and check my mn canoeing.kml file to display EPs and portages and sites etc in both the BW and Q on top of the USGS topo. |
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mirth |
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slackard |
quote schweady: "quote slackard: "here is the link to the Full Version of the map (89MB) I think i was just lazy here and forgot to rename the folder inside the KMZ.. If you hit one of the 0.1.2 links, you've got the latest version. Also just updated the original post with the up-to-date links there too for new-comers. |
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slackard |
quote TuscaroraBorealis: "quote slackard: "Yea, not sure who to talk to about getting this pinned for higher visibility Have followed through on this lead. Thanks! Hopefully we see some action. |
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slackard |
quote sege5641: "This thread NEEDS to be pinned to the top! I had no idea that I could download this map. I had to do a search to find it." Yea, not sure who to talk to about getting this pinned for higher visibility -- would be useful for anyone interested in trip planning. Is there a moderator among us willing to do this? Thanks in advance! BTW: here are the latest versions of the KMZ, so people dont have to scroll around for them. BWCAW Lite Version (415kbytes) BWCAW Full Version (91mbytes) |
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schweady |
cyclones30: "WonderMonkey: "Dang. Is getting an email to use this a limited amount of people. If not I'd appreciate an email or a link." I'm temporarily sharing that file from my Google Drive. I sent Swascelot the link in an email because I worried a bit about overload with a link here. But, I'll give it a try... bwcaw_maps_v0.1.3.kmz (At the 'Whoops!' page, click 'Download file.' At the "Can't scan this file for viruses," message, click 'Download anyway.') |
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WonderMonkey |
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croixboy96 |
Croixboy Leave in 11 days. |
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Ken |
Awesome. I'm heading out for a trip tomorrow. A map is no substitute for a trip, but its great for planning. In the winter this will keep a restless soul somewhat happy. In addition to the panoramio photos Google Earth has as a native layer, you can add this http://flickr-photos-in-ge.appspot.com/flickr-photos-in-google-earth.kmz to add geotagged flickr photographs. Then sit back and take a trip while the wind and snow howl outside. |
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Ken |
http://www.knowthenetwork.com/2008/07/google-earth-topo-maps/ actual link for the file http://www.gearthblog.com/kmfiles/topomaps.kmz (for windows users) paste the link in your browsers address space, hit enter then when its retrieved you should get a dialog asking whether you wish to open with google earth, say yes or click the open button. you can also retrieve the file by going to the first url above and right clicking on the link 'USGS Topo Map Layer' When Google earth opens Save the file to your permanent places and you can toggle a topo layer on and off. |
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bstrege |
quote slackard: "This is something I'd like to add.. If someone knows where i can get Quetico campsite & portage trailhead waypoints, andor tracks I'll add them. (I just havent had time to look for this data myself)." You could use the PCD files. There are files for both campsites and portages. I don't think you need permission to use it for noncommercial use. |
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slackard |
quote tremolo: "I think my Mac is too old. I cannot open any of the links. The first set of images, I can see, and it looks fantastic, esp for a navigationally challenged person such as myself. " A mac that can run Google Earth can use this map. First, the mime types for KMZ files are not always handled well by Safari/OSX, try Firefox andor try Control-Clicking on the link and choosing "save linked file as" 2nd, you need google earth installed. (once the map is saved to your local system, open google earth and choose File -> Open, then browse to the KMZ file you downloaded. Make sure you scroll through the threads to find the latest version of the link, some of the original links have outdated info. New versions/links are immanent within the next week or so. |
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slackard |
Full Version of the map (89MB) http://www.polymetric.net/bwcaw_maps_v0.1.2.kmz Here is the original "Lite" version (413KB, tiles downloaded each time you run google earth): http://www.polymetric.net/bwcaw_lite_v0.1.2.kmz Original Post: Never before seen KMZ map assembled by hand over a year contains the following: --complete set of usgs topo overlay tiles generated using gps visualizer. resolution is roughly 1000px per 5km, covering the entirety of the bwca. see sample source overlay here: http://tinyurl.com/2fhou4n Map also includes: --USGS lake names, elevation & depth outlines --complete set of bwcaw campsite waypoints --complete set of high res bwcaw portage tracks, as well as trail-head waypoints. --complete set of entry points, each with detailed descriptions. --High res border tracks --some low res hiking trails --neatly organized folders to reduce clutter see sample screenshots here: www.polymetric.net/bwcawss1.jpg www.polymetric.net/bwcawss2.jpg www.polymetric.net/bwcawss3.jpg www.polymetric.net/bwcawss4.jpg Get the map here: www.polymetric.net/bwcaw_v0.1.1.kmz tips for use: --there are folders named 'usgs topo' and 'usgs topo 60%,' you only need one turned on. the 60% one is set to 60% opacity, so you can see the areal imagery beneath the tiles (see screenshots). If you prefer the traditional mckenzie look, just use the "usgs topo" one instead. --for best terrain effect change "Elevation Exageration" to "3" in google earth settings. --each time you load the usgs topo maps the data is downloaded from terraservice.net* and they may be slow to load, ive broken them into East, Central and West sub-folders. to save loading time only turn on what you need. --if an overlay tile doesnt load or shows a big red X, right click on that image and "refresh" * if you want to write a script to turn the terraservice.net urls into a set of jpegs sourced locally, that'd be great.. plz let me know. until that happens, were stuck downloading the tiles each time. Its largely incomplete as far as polish, but its good enough that Ive been using it to plan trips for about 2 yrs now, and saved literally dozens of dollars not buying maps. the waypoints and tracks in most cases are good enough for government work, and haven't gotten me lost yet. For the sites ive been to personally ive cleaned them up a bit, but they're sourced from some random site, so no promises of accuracy and no warranties against death if you use this map and get lost, injured, or anything else. :D Comments? sample overlay tile screenshot1 screenshot2 screenshot3 screenshot4 Full Version of the map (89MB) http://www.polymetric.net/bwcaw_maps_v0.1.2.kmz Here is the original "Lite" version (413KB, tiles downloaded each time you run google earth): http://www.polymetric.net/bwcaw_lite_v0.1.2.kmz |
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PJ |
How come only the lake names appear in the 60%/East Folder. Under all the other folders it just says "USGS topo map from GPSVisualizer.com"? |
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slackard |
In a separate thread Eglath posted a PDF containing bitmaps for each of the Primitive Management Areas (PMA). Ive started work on overlaying these bitmaps in Google earth and outlining each of the PMAs. Ive got 6 of them done thus far and will update this post with the new KMZ version once its complete. Screenshot of Weeny Lake PMA here: |
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Amok |
PMA's will be extremely useful, but I'd be sure to charge extra for it :) |
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slackard |
I've taken the benefits of the mckinzie/fisher maps' topographic and lake depth data (originally sourced from usgs survey data i used), and combined them with the high quality satellite images provided in Google Earth for a unique bwca trip planning experience.... And all for free. Is this map necessary for trip planning? No. Is it handy? Absolutely. sidenote: will be working on the PMAs tomorrow and sunday. I'll update this post and all the links within once I've finished the updated version. |
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slackard |
As I said tho, no one should rely on this map.. its a reference only kind of thing that BWCA going Google Earth users will enjoy. |
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kanoes |
i hope you understand what i meant by my previous post. not unlike reading the route books cover to cover, over and over...which ive done. soured me alot concerning the bw.... |
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BWPaddler |
That said, I can relate kanoes... like knowing there is a 5 star campsite on a lake you're on, but it's taken is way worse than not knowing it's there at all and being happy with your site. Or something like that. I've never found enough stuff in guide books to be disappointed in the real thing, but there is definitely a different flavor to tripping in an area where you do not know what to expect next. |
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Widespreadpanic |
While I agree with Kanoes, that too much info has cheapened the BW for me, it wasn't the fault of the info. Just my appetite for it. Hopefully many people will find this a valuable tool. Thanks for the nice explanation you gave me but I will stick with my old fisher. |
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butthead |
Maps can be and are more than just planning tools, both old Fisher Maps and the latest map software. butthead |
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slackard |
quote Thaumaturgist: "I've downloaded, and linked all of the individual maps, but the file is quite huge (100 Megs). If you know of a place where it can be hosted, I'll be glad to put it up somewhere." Thanks to Thumaturgist's effort we will soon have a "full" version and "lite" version of the BWCAW map. The FULL version will be around 100mB and will contain ALL the USGS Topo images in the download. This will allow you to view the map (and image overlays) without having to download each tile every time you start GEarth. The LITE version will be around 1.5mB and is identical to the currently available map (v0.1.2), simply renamed LITE. Topo images are downloaded on the fly whenever the overlay is enabled. Thuamaturgist hasnt sent me the image tiles yet, but he has the login info he needs, so i should be able to make the FULL and LITE versions available soon. |
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airmorse |
quote slackard: "UPDATE 6/17/2011 Oh my. This will serve as my fix for the BW in the winter while planning my trips. Good work. |
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slackard |
We now have my full BWCA map with high res image tiles included in the download. This file is 89MB in size and will take a long time to download from my 5mbit connection, but you will only have to download it once. No more waiting for tiles to load every time you start google earth. I will leave this file up as long as it doesn't become a nuisance with lots of people downloading, killing my connection. here is the link to the Full Version of the map (89MB) http://www.polymetric.net/bwcaw_maps_v0.1.2.kmz Here is the original Lite version (413KB, tiles downloaded each time you run google earth): http://www.polymetric.net/bwcaw_lite_v0.1.2.kmz let me know if you have trouble. |
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slackard |
quote Ken: "Has anyone mention you can get a kmz file to display topo maps in Google earth? Hay, thanks! The topo map you link to is handy but the drawback of having to wait for the tiles to download again and again is still an issue here.. actually this kmz is downloading new data every time i zoom, not just when i first activate the map. :( Also I dont see a way to reduce the opacity of the maps you linked us to either.. Personally I prefer to see the topo overlay at about 60% opacity so I can see the google imagery but still make out the topo lines. Not sure what others prefer... any ideas for reducing opacity? thanks again for the neat kmz link. |
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schweady |
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mirth |
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boss_angler |
Here's hoping someone that is "in-the-know" could provide a consolidated summary for those that have not yet found this (but will now thanks to the bump). |
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WonderMonkey |
schweady: "WonderMonkey: "Everything worked fine with the exception of red X's for campsites and portages. That's easily taken care of. I did notice Quetico wasn't as far along as BWCAW, but still much appreciated. I can add Quetico on my own if it's not already done." I can throw my paddle blah planner date on top of what you were nice enough to provide and I'm good. I appreciate you making it available. |
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Oneofmanyblessings |
i tried to open the link , but is says , do i want to go to the web to search how to open it.? thats as far as my limited skills can take me, any help for a rookie? Thanks |
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slackard |
quote boss_angler: "Slackard.... you are awesome. Just FYI." boss_angler, We are men of action. Lies do not become us. :) |
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gravelroad |
schweady: Thanks for sharing this! It worked fine here. |
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slackard |
There may be a few tracks or waypoints in the data i used that spill over the Canadian border, but largely Quetico data is not included. If anyone knows a good source for GPS/GPX data for Quetico, I would include it in my map as long as the data free for non-commercial use. |
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WonderMonkey |
schweady: "cyclones30: "WonderMonkey: "Dang. Is getting an email to use this a limited amount of people. If not I'd appreciate an email or a link." I appreciate it! I downloaded it and will give it a go this evening. |
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cyclones30 |
WonderMonkey: "Dang. Is getting an email to use this a limited amount of people. If not I'd appreciate an email or a link." Same here, if someone has the full version I'd love to get an email! You can always use wetransfer.com for files that are too large to attach. |
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DeanL |
scoobe421: "I had this overlay and it is great. Bad news is my computer files got corrupted. Anyone have one to share? Seems these links are broken." Email sent. |
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schweady |
Swascelot: "The links to these files appear to be broken, are they still available? Eight year old thread comes back to life! Swascelot, I sent you an email. |