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thebob.com

04/23/2009 11:51AM

Seeking several different models of Blackhawk solo canoes.
Particulary interested in the Shadow 13, Proem, Fishhawk & Nighthawk.
Would certainly consider other Blackhawk solos too.

Must see photos of canoes offered for sale to assess their condition.
While I will certainly consider canoes with cosmetic damage, I am not interested in canoes that would require major restoration work.

Have cash/will travel a reasonable distance for the right canoe; I'm
in south central Missouri.

BOB

"You can dance with the river, but you have to know the steps".

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TomT

04/25/2009 07:25AM

I pick up my Blackhawk "Starship" today after it got fitted for new wood gunnels. Oh boy, it's a happy day!

Sorry, I just had to post. Good luck in your search but I don't think I will ever give up mine. :)

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thebob.com

04/25/2009 08:00AM

Congratulations to you Tom.
The Starship is a fine boat in my opinion; worthy of putting some time & money into saving & keeping out on the rivers, where it belongs.
I already have a Starship. Bought it 3rd hand. Neither of the 2 previous owners ever used it much. I seriously doubt that it had ever been on a river. Looked like it might have been used on a lake a few times for "lilly dipping". It came with a new, full sized Cooke custom cover.
On the off chance you are willing to put forth the effort; I would really appreciate it if you would send me a few photos of your Starship, to add to my Blackhawk scrapbook.Seriously, I am trying to get as many photos of different models of Blackhawks as I possibly can.

Keep the right side up.

"You can dance with the river, but you have to know the steps".

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Winemaker

04/27/2009 07:01AM

Gee Bob, I have been looking for a Starship for years, I'd even drive to MO for one (pick up some wine along the way too). Keep me in mind if you run into one.

hummm...

"Opening a bottle of wine in a canoe is a desirable, but irrational act."

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TomT

04/27/2009 09:27PM

I'll post some pics after I finish varnishing the wood and spruce up the hull a little.

Can you post some pics of your Starship?

Here's one from 2001 on Robinson Lake in the Q.

This one is from the same trip and luckily made it on the BWJ cover in 2002.

Doing some work on it a few years ago.

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thebob.com

04/27/2009 11:20PM

Tom,

Thanks for posting photos of your Starship; had never seen a red one before. Seems like most Blackhawks are white/cream colored for some reason? I had a blue Ariel that was a beauty;currently have a dark green Ariel. Also had a purple Zephyr, but was not too happy with that color; I currently have a white/cream colored Zephyr. All the other Blackhaws I have are the white/cream color too. Would be real happy to view some "after" photos when you get her "cleaned up" real nice .

Winemaker,

Good luck on finding a Starship in decent condition;they are few & far between has been my experience. Many who have them are like Tom & myself. You get hold of one, and have a tendency to not let go; might be hard to find another one. Others who have one tend to play the "collectible" hold card on you when it's time to talk money. I don't play that game.

I wish you good luck,
BOB

"You can dance with the river, but you have to know the steps".

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TomT

04/29/2009 06:37AM

I bought mine from the Chicagoland Canoebase back around 2000. There were a pair of them for sale. The other was green and was spoken for by a guy who immediatly replaced the gunnels himself. I couldn't afford it at the time so I cleaned them up and oiled them until the screws started pulling out last year.

I'm really thrilled with the work that Ralph Frese did for me. The old gunnels had a splice in them at each end. Ralph was able to make them one piece all the way through the length. Some real tricky cuts where they fit under the bow and stern caps. Ralph is 82 yrs old now but the man knows his work.

Try to post some pics of your Blackhawks. And if you can steer me to any info on them it would be appreciated. I don't even know what mine is supposed to weigh.

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fraxinus

04/29/2009 05:25PM

Phil Sigglekow who made the Blackhawk canoes out of Janesville, WI was with QCC kayaks the last I knew. After Blackhawk dissolved he continued to do composite hull lay-ups for other companies. He and a partner started producing kayak designs by John Winters and became QCC Kayaks. Mr. Winters is something of a paddle craft design guru himself. Quite a few of Swift Canoe's models are Winter's designs - the Osprey, Kipawa, and Winisk. Most of his designs, canoe or kayak are known for a combination of speed, maneuverability and excellent secondary stability. I bought a kayak from QCC a while back and made several trips to check it out and iron out the details, and had the pleasure of talking with Phil and his partner. Phil's partner told me that John Winters, with a background heavy into naval engineering and flow dynamics, and Phil who would lay-up different hull types, and lacking a flow tank, would anchor his hulls with ropes and test them in streams to see how they reacted, used vastly different approaches to testing, but came up with remarkably similar conclusions for hull designs. I found that very interesting. I've seen a few Blackhawk solo canoes, never had the opportunity to test paddle one, but they've all seemed to be unique.

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thebob.com

05/01/2009 04:34PM

Would be happy to email you some photos of some of my Blackhawk solos, if you'll send me your email address.
I've never gone to the trouble to learn how to post photos on the internet.
Have photos of some of my Blackhawks, but not 8 all of them.
My email address is 1979canoe@socket.net.

I think I can give you specs & other information on just about any Blackhawk canoe.

BOB

"You can dance with the river, but you have to know the steps".

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TomT

05/03/2009 08:10AM

email sent.

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thebob.com

05/10/2009 10:54PM

TomT,

Let me know if the new decals work out ok.
If they don't. I can get some replacements in a few days.

BOB

"You can dance with the river, but you have to know the steps".

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thebob.com

08/29/2009 11:22PM

I am still looking for several different Blackhawk solo canoes; especially the Proem-85, and/or the Shadow 13. Would also seriously consider a Kittyhawk, and/or Fishhawk.

Have cash will travel for the right canoe/canoes.
Must see photos of canoe/canoes to assess condition.
An asking price is need to know information; as is your general location.

Thanks,

BOB

"You can dance with the river, but you have to know the steps".

"You can dance with the river, but you have to know the steps".

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BarryM

03/16/2010 10:56PM

Hello Bob,

Not looking to part with my Starship but just writing to give you another data point. Bought mine (used) in 1992. She's maroon and I refinished the brightwork once and it could use a refresh though it doesn't look too bad. I'd like to redo the gel coat, but I don't know how to do that.

I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but this canoe is so nice to paddle that I'm spoiled for any other canoe. Only use her for day paddles, but would like to take her to the BWCA or Algonquin for a proper trip before I get too old.

I wasn't looking to buy a solo canoe, but shop I was dealing with had loaded up a few kayaks and the starship for prospective buyers to try out on the Maumee River. The guy who was interested in the Blackhawk got about half way into the Maumee before he dumped the boat. I was intrigued - figured no designer would come up with a canoe with such low initial stability without a reason. Well that guy wasn't interested in the starship anymore, so after testing the solo kayak I was interested in I took the canoe out for a spin. Sold. Keep her straight and she tracks like she's riding on rails, lean a bit to get the stems out and she pretty much turns on a dime - brilliant!

Barry

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thebob.com

03/17/2010 10:28PM

Barry,

Congratulations on buying/owning a beautiful canoe; the Blackhawk Starship.

I added a Starship to my mini fleet of Blackhawks several years ago. Mine came from Madison, Wisconsin; not too far from Janesville, Wisconsin, where it was originally made. Mine is an off white/cream color, had been rarely used, and came with a like new Cooke Custom Cover which fits it like a glove. Those people do some fine canoe covers, and rainflys too.

If you read this, and if you ever have a chance to do so......I would sincerely appreciate you taking a few photos of your Starship, and sending them to me. I have a mini scrapbook of photos of every Blackhawk I can get. Some other Blackhawk owners have been kind enough to accomodate me. I thank them all.

Enjoy your Starship!

BOB

"You can dance with the river, but you have to know the steps".

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Winemaker

03/18/2010 06:55AM

I am still looking for a starship, if anyone trips over one...

hummm?

"Opening a bottle of wine in a canoe is a desirable, but irrational act."

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BarryM

03/19/2010 05:38AM

Bob,

I checked out the Cook Covers. Very nice! Pretty much the only thing that would keep me from getting one for my canoe is the thought putting all those rivets in the hull. Years ago I bought a bunch of Polyester cloth with the intent of making a cover for my canoe. Never got around to finish that project, but I was planning on sewing a perimeter line that I could snug down to secure the cover to the boat at (just below) the gunnels.

As nice as this site is, there must be a site dedicated to canoes where this type of discussion would be more appropriate than a sales/wanted section. Any suggestions?

Barry

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thebob.com

03/19/2010 09:13AM

Barry,

You are more likely to obtain assistance/suggestons about gear by asking questions on this site's "gear forum" than on items wanted/for sale.

Additionally, you might seek assistance/suggestions by posting gear related questions on the advice, suggestions & general help forum on the paddling.net website, or the solo tripping website.

BOB

"You can dance with the river, but you have to know the steps".

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fafnir

03/21/2010 11:02AM

Wow, being a novice paddler I didn't realize what I was getting when I bought a maroon Blackhawk Starship Solo last summer. I am an avid kayaker and after moving close to the Minnesota River decided to try canoeing. It came with the integrated seat that is adjustable as well as a removable yoke.

I am considering selling or trading it, but want to get out on the water a couple of more times with it before making up my mind. I have a 3 year old daughter and this really doesn't seem like the boat her and I can enjoy. Before posting it up on craigslist I will stop back here and see if anyone is still looking for one.

--Chad

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Winemaker

03/22/2010 06:43AM

Yes, let me know, I will be interested!

hummm?

"Opening a bottle of wine in a canoe is a desirable, but irrational act."

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BarryM

03/22/2010 05:20PM

Winemaker,

Even though I just re-registered my Starship with the Ohio DNR, I'm thinking that, even though it is a great solo canoe ( I paddled her the last two days on the Maumee) it is time to move on. With a growing family it just makes sense to have a tandem canoe ... not like back in the day when I bought the Blackhawk Starship. I'll miss her, but the wharf is full under the conditions of the so-called " Marriage Preservation and Canoe Non-Proliferation Act of 2005". She's used but not abused and is stored indoors.

I don't know if this list allows for p-mail - if so please contact me. I'd rather not post my email or cell phone number on a list server.

Barry
NW Ohio

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wahoojim1

03/22/2010 10:20PM

Hey guys. I'm a Buckeye who has been quietly looking for a Starship to complete my fleet. I want one really bad!!!
I hope you will let me know when you want to sell. Thanks.

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Winemaker

03/23/2010 06:40AM

Hey Barry,

Just click on the envelop to the left of this box under my name and email me, I grew up in Ohio, lived in Toledo, and paddled a good bit of the Maumee a long time ago...

"Opening a bottle of wine in a canoe is a desirable, but irrational act."

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Joe1431

03/24/2010 12:58PM

Hey Bob,
I just listed my Blackhawk Shadow 13 in the items for sale. Give me a call. Joe 907-484-7857

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thebob.com

03/24/2010 08:09PM

Joe,

Have tried phoning 4 times..........
Operator says number has been disconnected?
Is number correct?

Sent you private email.

BOB

"You can dance with the river, but you have to know the steps".

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adam

Moderator

03/24/2010 08:54PM

Hi Bob,

He transposed the first three numbers in this thread. He posted this number in the other thread.

970-484-7857

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thebob.com

03/24/2010 10:04PM

Thanks Adam!
We were able to establish a dialogue with your "heads up".

BOB

"You can dance with the river, but you have to know the steps".

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mwd1976

04/08/2010 08:32PM

there's a shadow 13 in the Minneapolis Craigslist. Bob Brown restored it for someone a year or so ago. blackhawk

I'm tempted to pick it up myself but I think I might have enough canoes.

We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors; we borrow it from our children -Chief Seattle

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WisconsinRandy

07/01/2010 09:43AM

I bought a used canoe from a co-worker last year in rough condition. I totally rebuilt it, replacing all the wood interior/ trim and repainted it. It is 15' 8" long, and had identication on the sides that it was a Blackhawk canoe. I have found that the company from Janesville, WI no longer exists, but would like to learn more about it. A picture of the canoe can be seen in my profile picture. Can anyone help?

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thebob.com

07/01/2010 01:43PM

Hello Randy,

I'll try to help you as best I can.

First of all, congratulations on your recently acquired Blackhawk.
Looks as if you have done some good work towards restoring some of it's original luster. I love to see an older canoe "come back to life" so to speak.

More about Blackhawk history:

I don't want to "steal BCWA's thunder", but I think you will find the best discussion/information relating to Blackhawk Canoe's history on the Solo Tripping website. Some great information posted there by Charlie Wilson regarding Blackhawk history. I threw in my 2 cents worth too; which added little to nothing.

I currently own 7 Blackhawks; my Blackhawk fleet recently shrunk from 9. Turnover is sometimes a "good thing". With a couple of canoe rack spaces opened up, I was able to bring in a Lotus canoe, and am saving the last space for an older Curtis canoe. Not a bad swap in my personal opinion, but I may be biased.

I think your canoe is likely to be either a Blackhawk 15'8" SS Special, or a Blackhawk 15'9" Combi. The Blackhawk Starship is 15'10" in length, but I am fairly positive yours is NOT a Starship, based on the absence of it's low windage stern profile.
Pretty sure is it also NOT an Ariel or a Zephyr, based on your measurement. The Ariel & Zephyr also had the low windage stern profile, which yours does not seem to have in the photo.

Did you boat come with 2 seats? I doubt that it did.
If it did, it would probably be the smaller of 2 Combi models.
If it only had a solo seat, my best guess is the SS Special.
If it is' that is unusual. I have only ever seen one of those; it's hanging in my garage. I'm sure there are others out there, but I have never seen them.

If I can be of any further assistance, do not hesitate to contact me by email, or on this website.

BOB
A Blackhawk lover.

"You can dance with the river, but you have to know the steps".

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WisconsinRandy

07/01/2010 06:58PM

Thanks Bob! BTW, any idea where I can get replacement decals for the sides? Or, if someone could give me an etching of an existing marking, so I can get a set made. I took a few liberties when I redid the interior. I didn't put caned seats back in as original, but put in webbed seats - I thought they'd be more durable and just as comfortable, and so far it's been true. I also made "caps" for both bow and stern (you can kinda see in the photo) of white oak so my dog can perch his front paws when he rides with me. Other than that and the color, she's just like original. She's a dream in the water. I also have a 16' Quataw (made in Oklahoma, but company is no more) tandem that is more stable in the water, but not as fun or fast.

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thebob.com

07/01/2010 08:01PM

Randy,

Have emailed you.

Follow the simple directions in my email & 2 Blackhawk decals you need will "magically" appear in your mailbox in a couple of days.

My treat.

BOB

"You can dance with the river, but you have to know the steps".

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cowdoc

07/01/2010 09:31PM

Hey Randy, is that the parking lot at Cadiz Springs??

"What could happen?"

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WisconsinRandy

07/06/2010 07:28AM

Sure is! I canoe there with my dog frequently because it's calm water, and pretty close to where I live. You must live pretty close to me.

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pstearns

09/07/2010 07:48AM

Hi Bob,

You seem to be pretty knowledgeable about Blackhawk canoes so I thought I would ask. I recently acquired a Blackhawk Phantom canoe. It is a 17'6" tandem canoe made of fiberglass with wood trim. I've only had it out a couple of times but it is fast and agile, tracks well and handles windy conditions.

Wondering what you might know about this particular canoe.

Thanks- I appreciate your help.

Paul

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Cedarboy

09/07/2010 08:51AM

pstearns
You had the same idea. I am curious to see what he has to say.
You did answer my first Q, the length. Lets hear it thebob.com.
CB

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thebob.com

09/07/2010 11:09AM

I'm not sure who the "go to" guy is regarding Blackhawks, but it's not me.
I do have some information; I have provided same:

I believe you when you say that what you have is a Phantom.
That is what it appears to be in the photos you posted.
However,I am unable to verify any Blackhawk Phantoms were made with a length of 17' 6".
Don't think such a boat exists.
There are some listings in older Canoe and Paddler magazines (price guides) that list a 17' 8" Phantom.
Other such price guide listings have the Phantom's length as 17'10".

The correct length of the Phantom "as far as I'm concerned" is found by going to "the source". In this case, an actual, 1992, Blackhawk Canoes brochure. Blackhawk list the Phantom as 17'10" overall length, with a waterline length of 17'8". I suppose that is the source of different lengths in the magazines. One used overall length, and the other used waterline length.

Other Blackhawk Phantom specs:

Hull width 34.5"
Gunwale width 34.5"
Waterline width 27"
Depth at center 14.5"
Bow height 22"
Stern height 19"
6" Freeboard capacity 900 lbs.
Silver layup 69 lbs.
Gold layup 57 lbs.

Blackhawk did not list prices in their brochure; at least they did not list them in the 1992 brochure in my possession.
Canoe, and Paddler magazines did:

1990 Canoe magazine (buyer's guide) price/silver layup $1,179.00
1990 Canoe magazine (buyer's guide) price/gold layup $1, 879.00
1994 Paddler magazine (buyer's guide) silver layup $ 1,389.00
1994 Paddler magazine (buyer's) guide gold layup $ $1995.00

The silver layup is basically a fibreglass layup, and that sounds like what you have.

I am pretty sure that those prices (big bucks in 1990/1994) resulted in the canoe market "NOT" being flooded with Blackhawk Phantoms.
Probably only few of those which were sold are still in usable condition. For all practical purposes, Blackhawk Canoes sank in 1995.

Hope this helps.
BOB

"You can dance with the river, but you have to know the steps".

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thebob.com

09/07/2010 11:37AM

More about the Blackhawk Phantom:

The V shape of the hull provides seaworthiness & stability for the Phantom. The efficiency of this hull is maintained regardlesss of the load it carries. The waterline width increases as the load increases because the shape is subtly flared. It is this flare which wards off waves without adding redundant depth or increasing wind sensitivity. This the canoe works just as well when packed for the wilderness journey-375 to 700 pounds- as it does when it is lighly loaded- 300 to 450 pounds- for a quick, short run.

The hull feature is comined with an asymmetrical keel okne to provide the Phantom with directional stability; that is the ability to proceed in a straight line and maneuverability.

The Phantom paddles with litte effort no matter what the load.
It turns, and maneuvers through difficult waters with ease & precsion.
The occupants an their life suppor systems are assured safe and dry passage no matter what environmental conditions are encountered.
From Blackhawk Canoes brochure, regarding the Phantom.

There are quite a few different models of Blackhawks I own, or have owned. I enjoy paddling those models I currently own on a regular basis. I continue to seek several models I do not own.

I continue to discount those who "tout" Blackhawks as "collectibles"; especially when the term "collectible" is seemingly used to jack up the asking price.

BOB

"You can dance with the river, but you have to know the steps".

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pstearns

09/07/2010 11:48AM

Thanks Bob- a big help. I'd be interested in seeing the brochure page with the Phantom. If that is possible let me know.

Thanks again

Paul

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thebob.com

09/07/2010 11:54AM

Paul,

Contact me by email through this website.
I will attempt to take a photo of the brochure, and will email you a copy if it turns out readable.

I'd like for you to email me a couple of the photos of your Phantom.
I have a Blackhawk "rogue's gallery" album I keep on every Blackhawk I can find.

Would be much appreciated.

BOB

"You can dance with the river, but you have to know the steps".

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pstearns

09/07/2010 01:05PM

I can't seem to find you email on the message board.
mine is pstearns13@comcast.net

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thebob.com

09/09/2010 11:05AM

Paul,

Did you receive the photos of specs & decription for Phantom I sent?

BOB

"You can dance with the river, but you have to know the steps".

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pstearns

09/09/2010 11:10AM

Bob,
The only specs I saw was what you put on this web site. I did not receive any pictures.

If you would send me your email address I will send you the pictures I have. I do intend to take some better pictures this weekend that I will also pass along.

Thanks for you help

Paul
pstearns13@comcast.net

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thebob.com

09/09/2010 12:55PM

Paul,

Will resend email that I previously sent.
Don't know why you didn't get the first one, sent it 2 days ago?
May have used wrong address?
Let me know if you get my second effort.

Most definitely would like receive a few photos of the Phantom for my Blackhawk "rogue's gallery" album.
Try not to send photos that are too big, and send them in 2 separate emails if you would; my server is slower than rust.

Thanks,

BOB

"You can dance with the river, but you have to know the steps".

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LookingNorth

09/10/2010 01:22PM

Nighthawk

Just thought I would pass this along.

Erik

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cowdoc

09/13/2010 09:37AM

This seems like a decent deal....if it's $800 for the pair. Of course, you'd have to sell the Sawyer. I assume at 12 foot-ish, the Blackhawk is a Nighthawk, but I'm not sure. 2 solo canoes

"What could happen?"

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Koda

09/13/2010 10:53AM

LookingNorth and cowdoc, I want to thank you for adding to the stress surrounding my canoe fetish. A Summersong and TWO Nighthawks within easy driving distance is just too much. I'll have to go back up to the BW until they're sold just to control the urge....

Speaking of ... I saw a Blackhawk on top of a car outside Piragis last week. It was short, making me think it was a Nighthawk (which I thought was 13'4"). There was no seat but I suppose it had a removable pedestal.
I once spent two river days in a Nighthawk; it taught me more about solo paddling than anything since.

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cowdoc

09/13/2010 03:48PM

Koda.....I know just enough about Blackhawks to be dangerous with my info ;) ...I thought 13-4 would be a Shadow. Maybe bob can list all the models and their respective lengths and set us straight. Please bob???
Makes you wonder how many Blackhawks are floating around the Janesville area.

"What could happen?"

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DanCooke

09/13/2010 06:16PM

I had a Fishhawk and Kittyhawk. The Kittyhawk was great for the kids they could handle it with ease. I wore it. It was fun because you could grip the pedestal between your legs and do some hanging draws way out from the side.

I tripped in the Fishhawk for many years. The nighthawk was the same hull but with a sliding pedestal. I had made foam seat pads for Phil for the Sliding pedestal and the Kittyhawk.
Bob Brown designed both of those hulls for Phil. I have seen two strippers built along the lines of the Fishhawk but stretched a foot.
Have fun following your passion.

Dan Cooke

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4Lakes

09/16/2010 02:35PM

Wow, this discussion brings back some memories! My family lives in Janesville and I actually used to (20 years ago) hang out in Phil's store and he took me over to his shop a couple of times. At the time, Blackhawks were not for me, I was a student and I was doing expeditionary type trips, which meant Royalex boats. Nonetheless, I remeber hanging out in the store, and Phil not kicking me out, which meant I must not have been too much of a pest. If course, I bought a little gear there too!

I do vividly remember searching long and hard for rain gear for a trip in the NWT, and nothing seemed to be quite right. Phil disappeared into the back of the store and came back with a prototype Northface jacket that was perfect. Said he "was done" with it, and sold it to me for practically nothing. Was a great jacket, until it was stolen a few years later.

Andy

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jazzman1161

09/19/2010 10:44PM

I looked at a Nighthawk two days ago in Milton, WI owned by an acquaintance. Here is the CL:

http://madison.craigslist.org/boa/1946764129.html

It is in excellent condition and was always stored indoors.

I spent a summer working with Phil Siggelkow back in the mid '90's. laying up Swift canoes and Kayaks. That business is now QCC Kayaks.

Bob

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kechance

03/14/2011 02:35PM

I've got a very nice Blackhawk Combi. Light tan color, fiberglass, teak trim. "Combi" means you can paddle solo, duo and even have three people in the boat. I've done it all, including a couple two week solos with it in Boundary Waters. And it used to be my 'car' going between Houghton and Hancock in Michigan. Low swept, tracks great, excellent speed, handles great in wind and waves. If anyone knows the Portage Canal between Hancock and Houghton, then you know that that can be almost as tough as Lake Superior. This boat was made to handle well in the wind.

Some paddlers here remember Blackhawk and know that they're great boats. I live down in the Tennessee River Valley now, and I'm considering a sale...Sniff. Feel free to contact me.

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gsfisher13

03/14/2011 10:13PM

That Blackhawk in Milton may still be available, it was reposted on craigslist a few weeks ago http://janesville.craigslist.org/boa/2231427531.html. $575 for a 12'

Not all those who wander are lost - J.R.R.Tolkien

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The Lorax

03/19/2011 05:52AM

At some point, I have a Phantom coming to me from the same person who sold me the Zephyr.

Like the Zephyr, it doesn't have a scratch on it. Beautiful canoe.

I love the smell of silnylon in the morning. It smells like........victory!

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BarryM

03/25/2011 10:05PM

Lorax,

I was looking a the photos of your Zephyr and was wondering: is that a stock seat that came with the boat? Sure is a work of art!

Barry

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ofieldstream

07/04/2011 02:53PM

Bob .. I just joined this group and since your profile says 'always' looking for Blackhawk canoes... I have one (see attached photo. ID it and shoot me a price. Thanks.

O'fieldstream Journals ofieldstream.com ofieldstream@gmail.com

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thebob.com

07/05/2011 09:40AM

Thanks for the heads up on the Blackhawk you are considering selling.
Quite certain the model you own is a Blackhawk Ariel.
BLackhawk listed the Ariel as being 15'1" in overall length, and the hull width as 28.88 inches.
The canoe in center, in the wall rack photo is a Blackhawk Ariel.

If you can send me an email via this webside; I'd be interested in receiving more photos(seat, hull bottom, wood trim), and discussing your canoe.

Thanks,
BOB

"You can dance with the river, but you have to know the steps".

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leiniedude

08/23/2011 01:38PM

Hi Bob. I see your posts on the Blackhawks.I have two I am considering sending down river that you might be interested in. One a Proem and the other a Phantom, both red. In fairly nice shape. I have owned both for many years. The Preom has the sliding pedelstal seat, I know Phil had a term for it but I would have to dig out the brochure. She is missing the tiny wood endcaps on the bow and stern. I live on the Sugar River north of Albany, Wis. Not sure if it to far for you for a boat or two. If not I can wipe the dust off both and send some photos. Thanks for your time.

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thebob.com

08/23/2011 04:29PM

Thanks for the "heads up" on the Blackhawk.
Have sent you a PM.
Hope to hear from you soon.

"Life is short; grab a paddle"!

"You can dance with the river, but you have to know the steps".

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snakecharmer

08/23/2011 09:10PM

"Life is short; grab a paddle"!

I like it. That's awesome!

"Many men go fishing all of their lives without knowing it is not fish they are after"
~ Henry David Thoreau

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thebob.com

08/24/2011 10:16AM

Another good one to remember:

Are you going to run this?
Yep!
How?
On the left.......
On the left?
Yeah! So far left I'll be up on the river bank.
:^)

"You can dance with the river, but you have to know the steps".

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The Lorax

08/24/2011 05:33PM

quote BarryM: "Lorax,

I was looking a the photos of your Zephyr and was wondering: is that a stock seat that came with the boat? Sure is a work of art!

Barry"

Yes, that is the original seat.

I love the smell of silnylon in the morning. It smells like........victory!

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mr.barley

08/25/2011 06:20PM

craigslist blackhawk

Because I'm wearing one and I just did....

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nojobro

08/27/2011 02:06PM

http://madison.craigslist.org/boa/2567708312.html

Madison, WI Craigslist blackhawk shadow

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Ezdelaft

12/02/2012 05:01PM

Hey Bob, I'm in St. Louis, I have this 17' 10" Blackhawk, I'd be willing to sell. it has two seats, and a middle stow compartment.
ezdelaft@gmail.com

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ozarkpaddler

12/02/2012 11:51PM

quote Ezdelaft: " Hey Bob, I'm in St. Louis, I have this 17' 10" Blackhawk, I'd be willing to sell. it has two seats, and a middle stow compartment.
ezdelaft@gmail.com
"

Bob's computer is "Down" right now, but I will be talking to him tomorrow and tell him about it. He's mostly interested in solo's but that's a nice looking boat! What model and how much?

"Let us live so that when we come to die even the undertaker will be sorry." Mark Twain

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cowdoc

12/03/2012 08:15AM

It's probably a Phantom.

"What could happen?"

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ozarkpaddler

12/03/2012 11:45AM

quote Ezdelaft: " Hey Bob, I'm in St. Louis, I have this 17' 10" Blackhawk, I'd be willing to sell. it has two seats, and a middle stow compartment.
ezdelaft@gmail.com
"

Talked with Bob. He'd like to see more pictures when he gets his computer back in a few days. Especially pics of the "Storage compartment."

"Let us live so that when we come to die even the undertaker will be sorry." Mark Twain

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Ezdelaft

12/04/2012 09:39PM

Great, I will post more pics tomorrow.

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Ezdelaft

12/07/2012 03:18PM

here she is!

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thebob.com

12/07/2012 08:39PM

Blackhawk???

Frankly, I don't know what to say............

Does not look like any Blackhawk canoe I've ever seen.
I've owned & seen a "bunch" of them.

Have never seen any Blackhawk with a "storage compartment"; if that is what it's truly supposed to be?
Looks like someone fiberglassed that section into the canoe at a later date, after the canoe's purchase. Doesn't appear to be that well done, and where's the lid?

The seats appear to be painted, slabs of wood; never seen such seats in any Blackhawk before. Don't think those are original.

Build quality in the canoe's bilge does not appear to be anywhere near Blackhawk typical quality.

I'm not sure it is a Blackhawk; based on the photos I've seen.
What makes you think it's a Blackhawk?

Does it have a serial number etched into the hull, or a metal plate with the serial number that's attached to the hull?

BOB

P.S. I am only interested in Blackhawk solos. I owned a Blackhawk Combi(small tandem) for a couple of years, but sold it several years ago.

"You can dance with the river, but you have to know the steps".

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Ezdelaft

12/08/2012 01:04PM

It is pretty old, but in good shape, I have a blast in it year after year. the lid is removable, the compartment is water tight and sturdy, can put live bait in it. Don't know much about canoes, just thought id share, pretty awesome to me, guess ill just keep on using it.

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thebob.com

12/08/2012 07:54PM

There is, or was, a company using the name BLACK HAWK, and making canoes in Flordia. Doubt seriously that they are still in business.

BUT, as I guessed; that is not an original, Blackhawk canoe,made in Janesville, Wisconsin by Mr. Phil Sigglekow.

Which is not to say your canoe won't get you out on the water.
It will.
Bottom line; sometimes that is all that is necessary, or desired.
Keep on paddling!

Enclosed are a couple of photos of some Blackhawks that were made in Wisconsin.

BOB

"You can dance with the river, but you have to know the steps".

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Ezdelaft

12/09/2012 06:24PM

id be scared to take something that pretty on the water, it may look horrible, but im happy, thanks again!

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ozarkpaddler

12/10/2012 09:58AM

quote Ezdelaft: "id be scared to take something that pretty on the water, it may look horrible, but im happy, thanks again!"

I'd be scared to paddle some of those Blackhawks because I lack the BALANCE to paddle some of those "Tender" puppies (LOL)!
Looks like there was ANOTHER company that produced a canoe with the name "Blackhawk," 'eh?

"Let us live so that when we come to die even the undertaker will be sorry." Mark Twain

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Ezdelaft

12/10/2012 01:02PM

Appears so. This one I inherited from my dad who found it at a garage sale. That is the all I know about it. Fun boat!

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fortman79

12/30/2012 12:28AM

Hello,

I purchased a Blackhawk canoe this past summer (2012) from another gentleman here in Fort Wayne, IN. I don't know much about Blackhawk as I'm very new to paddling and the solo canoe world. He told me that he went to Wisconsin and met the owner of the company, Phil, years ago and after a long talk decided to buy a Blackhawk canoe. He used it to paddle a few times up in Canada and then stored it indoors mostly for the last 10-12 years or so. I bought it from him as I just happened to be looking at the same time he decided to sell it.

Can anyone here help me learn more about it? I don't know what the model is but I've taken a few pictures. It's stored in my garage currently on some cardboard pads... so the pictures may not be the best.

Also, there is what appears to be the serial number etched on the side: BLQ11596M84D

Any help is appreciated!

Thanks!

Jason

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fortman79

12/30/2012 01:03AM

I’m not sure if I measured correctly… but I measured from the two farthest points (tip of gunwale to tip of gunwale on each end) and it was 177 inches.

Jason

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cowdoc

12/30/2012 11:28AM

The pedestal seat makes me think it's a Nighthawk....but your length seems too long for a Nighthawk, more in the range of the Shadow models. Shadows came in a variety of lengths (I never figured out why??), from about 11 feet to 14+ feet, but I didn't think they had pedestal seats. The shape of the stern stem may give some clue.....I believe if it's recurved, it's a Shadow....if not....it could be a Nighthawk. I know just enough about Black Hawks to be dangerous. Black Hawk went out of biz about 94-95 and info is hard to come by, plus it almost seems like no 2 canoes were built the same at times. thebob.com seems to have lots of info.....maybe he'll chime in.

"What could happen?"

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cowdoc

12/30/2012 11:48AM

Did you measure along the gunnels??...or straight along the axis, tip to tip? The open ends (no decks) and pedestal seat makes it look like the Proem model....but that was a shorter boat.

"What could happen?"

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thebob.com

12/30/2012 05:35PM

The pedestal seat will NOT necessarily identify it as any particular Blackhawk model. The pedestal seats could have been a special order, or the original wood/cane seat could have been removed, and replaced with the pedestal seat. Done quite easily.

At your measurement of 177 inches(give or take a couple of inches); no matter how you measured it's length, it is highly doubtful that it is a Proem at 11'10", or Nighthawk/Fishhawk at 13', or Kittyhawk.
It would also not be the 11' 7" version of the Shadow.

By the way; there were (4) versions of the Shadow, not 3:

Shadow 11'7"
Shadow 13'
Shadow 14'4"
Shadow SS Special 15'8"

If you scroll back a couple of posts, you will see a Shadow 14'4" model of mine, sitting on the ground, by a raised flower bed.
Notice deck treatment........which your canoe lacks.
In the photo wtih 3 canoes hanging from the ceiling; those are two 11'7" Shadows with wood/cane seats, and a Nighthawk with a permanently installed pedestal.

My guess of your canoe's model?
It is a Blackhawk Covenant model 115, which measures 14' 9" in length.
14'9" equals..........177 inches!
The Covenant does NOT have decking, just as your canoe does not.
Want to see a "for sure" Covenant?
Check out the used boats section on the Hemlock Canoe website.
The Covenant model that Hemlock is offering for sale also has the sliding pedestal seat installed.
I could be wrong..........which is of little to no consequence, as I ain't no expert, or role model either, for that matter.

Good luck to you with your Blackhawk.
BOB

P.S. Those Blackhawks are just glorified barges. You should ditch it ASAP! I'll give you 200 bucks for it; if you'll deliver it to me in Missouri. I'll save you the embarassment of being seen paddling that scow. :^) LOL!

"You can dance with the river, but you have to know the steps".

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cowdoc

12/30/2012 07:35PM

....and there ya go.....

"What could happen?"

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thebob.com

12/30/2012 08:00PM

Photo of Blackhawk Covenant 115.

BOB

"You can dance with the river, but you have to know the steps".

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fortman79

12/30/2012 10:13PM

Thank you both very much for the input.

I appreciate it as well as your time taken in responding. I measured straight from tip to tip (down the axis)... not along the sides.
It is a beautiful canoe.

The picture that you posted looks exactly like the one I have.

If you feel up to it, I would enjoy reading any advice that you can give on paddling this particular model... and what makes it different from the others.

Thank you again,

Jason

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Winemaker

12/31/2012 07:07AM

Hey Fortman,

I am in your area and would be happy to "hook you up" with other area paddlers if interested. I am still seeking a Blackhawk Starship to add to my stable of 12 boats including six solos.

hmmmm.....

Winemaker

"Opening a bottle of wine in a canoe is a desirable, but irrational act."

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thebob.com

12/31/2012 01:56PM

Jason,

Was going to try to contact you via email, but you are obviously not set up to receive email from BWCA members/posters?

Took a look at your profile, which noted your birthday as January 1, 1900.
According to my calculations, that would make you 113 tomorrow.
Are you a nursing home runaway?
Whether you are a runaway or not; a 113 year old paddler might want to seek a different boat than a Blackhawk Covenant?

Maybe even a (GASP!!! Can't believe I'm saying this!!!) motor powered, jon boat?

:^)
BOB

"You can dance with the river, but you have to know the steps".

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Ragged

02/22/2013 08:20AM

Hey Bob, I had a question about something you posted in an old for sale thread, if you have the time please shoot me an email (using the envelope under my name)

Thanks, William

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thebob.com

02/22/2013 10:08AM

Email sent.
Will try to assist if you contact me.

BOB

"You can dance with the river, but you have to know the steps".

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mjmkjun

02/22/2013 07:05PM

Blackhawk 'Starship' anyone?
L 15'10"
Bow 17"/Stern 13"/center 13"
Gunwhale width 27", widest part of hull 28"
color: maroon. $450. Why? Canadian style ain't my style.
headed to Gunflint trail in 3rd week of June
pics with one VERY CLOSE of bottom cosmetic scratches. normal wear & tear; no gouges.

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cowdoc

02/22/2013 07:42PM

Winemaker wants one......do him a favor and email him. I cant seem to access his email. He's next door in Indiana

"What could happen?"

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winner

02/26/2013 10:58AM

mkmjun,

Very interested. I'm in Greenville, OH.

Chillicothe, eh? You don't happen to know Dirty Ed, do ya?

Winner

edit: removed email address

"Buckeye Swim Team"

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thebob.com

02/26/2013 08:00PM

Based on what I can see in the photos; that is a very reasonable price for a Starship.
Put some little sweat equity into cleaning up the hull, and it could turn into a really nice deal. There is a lot of good that can be said about the Blackhawk Starship.
Regret having sold mine, but it wasn't getting the usage it deserved, and now it is, hopefuly.

BOB

Top to bottom: Blackhawk Starship/Ariel/Zephyr

"You can dance with the river, but you have to know the steps".

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mjmkjun

02/26/2013 08:09PM

Don't know of 'Dirty Ed', Winner.
Greenville? You're just a short drive away, if I take the back roads. Thought you lived in Indiana. I live closer to Knockemstiff than Chillicothe. ZIP is Chillicothe. Go figure!

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ozarkpaddler

02/27/2013 08:41AM

quote winner: "mkmjun,
Very interested. I'm in Greenville, OH. Please email me at robwinner64 --@-- gmail
Chillicothe, eh? You don't happen to know Dirty Ed, do ya?
Winner"

"Dirty Ed," hadn't heard that name in quite awhile! I remember him being on Paddling.net and then remember meeting him on the Buffalo at Ozark Campground several years ago. Seems like he was paddling an Old Town Pathfinder or Appalacian? Funny how I can remember things like that and can't remember where i put my truck keys (LOL)!

"Let us live so that when we come to die even the undertaker will be sorry." Mark Twain

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winner

02/27/2013 09:08AM

Dirty Ed is a legend. Accomplished paddler and a fine picker on the guitar. All around good dude. He lives down near Chilli and is a paddler of both WW and the Q, so I had to ask. He hosts a yearly get together on the Paint...We usually paddle Rocky Fork(which is a gem, btw) and run the chutes on the Paint. Good times...

Winner

"Buckeye Swim Team"

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mjmkjun

02/27/2013 10:17AM

Did hear about those bold crazies who run the chutes at Paint Creek. Someone told me Saugeye are plentiful after chutes are opened.
Took the Starship out to Paint Creek Lake for a paddle last Fall. Too much water was released by lake management prior, so oxygen deprived were floating everywhere. I don't mind a dip now and again but that's one day I dreaded paddling Starship canadian style. So, I didn't.

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flytyer1

02/28/2013 12:23PM

I am the original owner of a Starship purchased from Blackhawk Outfitters in Janesville WI. Several times I've wanted a different solo canoe but none so far has out performed the Starship. The worst decision I made was to trade my Proem for it. I am also looking for a Preom. Did anyone on this posting Paddle with the crew on the Rock River in Janesville? Once the snow melts I'll post a photo of my Starship. The only change that I made was replacing the maple rails with sitka spruce. The maple always mildewed and looked like crap.

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leiniedude

03/01/2013 09:44AM

Hi Flytyer1, I am not sure how many colors Phil produced of the Proem, but if it was red I might have it. I bought a red one many years ago from a girl in Janesville. I have paddled the Rock many times, but not sure if it was with your crew. The Sugar River is starting to open now, Maybe I can get out soon. Take care.

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cowdoc

03/01/2013 12:52PM

The Sugar is very open but the bank ice is a little nasty.....pick your spots carefully. I may go from F down to Hy. 11 this weekend just to "break the ice"...;)

"What could happen?"

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Winemaker

03/02/2013 09:02PM

WHAT!

Someone has a starship for sale??

Yes I am interested!

better check my email listed here...

oakhillwinery@yahoo.com

THX!

hmmmmmmm??

"Opening a bottle of wine in a canoe is a desirable, but irrational act."

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mjmkjun

04/01/2013 01:36PM

"Blackhawk 'Starship' anyone?
L 15'10"
Bow 17"/Stern 13"/center 13"
Gunwhale width 27", widest part of hull 28"
color: maroon. $450. Why? Canadian style ain't my style.
headed to Gunflint trail in 3rd week of June
pics with one VERY CLOSE of bottom cosmetic scratches. normal wear & tear; no gouges.

Retracting post. Keeping it.

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Winemaker

04/22/2013 05:18PM

LOL! or not! I picked up the Starship on Saturday and I love the color. You did a great job redoing the gunnels and I have started working on the scratches on the side to minimize the mar on a boat in great shape for a 25 year-old boat! I am not sure its a tripper for a big guy like me but it will do for a river cruiser. Looking forward to falling out of it alot as I get used to a hi-performance boat again.

My Sawyer Autumn Mist seemed non-plussed when i hung it next to it in the shed...

hmmmm?

"Opening a bottle of wine in a canoe is a desirable, but irrational act."

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Kaiser

04/22/2013 08:36PM

Winemaker,

Congrats on the Starship!

Last summer, I also purchased a 25 year old Blackhawk. Mine is a Shadow and I felt the same way when I first got in it. But after a couple hours it felt like an extension of my body. They are great boats and I hope you enjoy yours as much as I do mine.

Gary

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mjmkjun

04/24/2013 03:25PM

quote Winemaker: "
LOL! or not! I picked up the Starship on Saturday and I love the color. You did a great job redoing the gunnels and I have started working on the scratches on the side to minimize the mar on a boat in great shape for a 25 year-old boat! I am not sure its a tripper for a big guy like me but it will do for a river cruiser. Looking forward to falling out of it alot as I get used to a hi-performance boat again.

My Sawyer Autumn Mist seemed non-plussed when i hung it next to it in the shed...

hmmmm?"
I'm thinking Mrs. will paddle it one day and assume ownership. :O
A hint of sadness as I watched it travel away--even tho I didn't paddle it much nor felt it was suited for me.
Hope y'all are happy with the 'barge' as Bob refers to Starship. Keep in mind I waxed it before sale. Might have to strip polish off.??? Have fun.

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fraxinus

04/24/2013 04:45PM

Blackhawk Nighthawk on Madison Craigslist, 12 footer 22#.

Nighthawk

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thebob.com

04/24/2013 04:57PM

I previously owned both an Sawyer Autumn Mist, and a Blackhawk Starship.
No doubt in my mind that the Starship will haul a load equal to what an Autumn Mist will.
Think you may find the Starship to be a little more manueverable, and also a little more forgiving, in comparison to the Autumn Mist.

But that is just my opinion.

Nice Starships getting difficult to find.
Nice canoe; nice styling, looks like a canoe should.

BOB

"You can dance with the river, but you have to know the steps".

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thebob.com

04/24/2013 05:03PM

All those Blackhawk canoes are barges & garbage scows!
Contact me; sell em to me dirt cheap.
Don't shame yourself being seen paddling a barge or garbage scow.
I don't care anymore. I have no shame; I'll paddle virtually anything!

BOB

"You can dance with the river, but you have to know the steps".

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