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 Boundary Waters Quetico Forum Listening Point - General Discussion July 4th bad weather in the bwcaw again? Reply
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| boss_angler |
07/09/2012 02:41PM The campsite was occupied. We stopped first thing at the island you spoke of and fished from the rocks there (pretty sure talking same one here). Had a few bites that felt like walleyes to me but nothing too agressive. Then this slight action dropped off a bit and five minutes later I hooked into and landed that northern (perhaps 25"?). From the island we headed over to the creek on the south side. Fished in front of and to the sides of that for a while but no action. Moved across there to rock ledges at the west side of the lake trying to fish those drops. Right about this time is when we decided to skeedaddle outta there due to the front bearing down on us. Someday I will get back up there and get a proper day of angling in on Beartrap. Someday... |
| WhiteWolf |
07/09/2012 02:33PM their is an island ,,, in view of the portage,, and I beleive ( without looking at a map) just south of the 5 rd port from Thunder. Fish around that during the day,, esp the SE as shrp drop off is here. Can even be done from the island shore in good conditons. at night,, troll the breaks. Small creek comes in at the S side,, not far from the campsite. Was the campsite occupied>?> |
| boss_angler |
07/09/2012 02:26PMquote WhiteWolf: "Boss- To be honest... it was rather slow! I was kind of disappointed actually because of all the good press Beartrap receives. Reeled in one medium pike but otherwise struck out on the walleye. We really didn't have as much time as we wanted to better explore but I honestly thought it would have been better. Perhaps due to the front moving in?? |
| WhiteWolf |
07/09/2012 02:05PM Boss- how was the fishing at B-trap before the storm?? Good eye lake. SPent some time in the area. That's a decent day trip,, esp going back in a storm. |
| doggums |
07/09/2012 02:03PM We were on Bald Eagle (in on EP 84) on the 4th in a site on the east side of the lake, taking a nap following the first rain that came through and woke to a very scary roaring sound. Peeked outside the tent and saw the pines on the north side of our site bending downward towards our tent. The roar of the wind sounded enough like a train to scare the bleep out of us, and our tent began to buckle a bit but stayed up with our arms as extra reinforcement on the poles from the inside. I'm pretty sure that if it wasn't for that line of trees on the windward side of us our tent would have succumbed. As it was we had 7-10 minutes of being scared bleepless, and then just hoping for the next 45 that we would not get struck by lightning. I've been that scared in a storm before (lived in Oklahoma for 3 years), but never rode one that bad out in a tent before, hopefully never again. As an aside. The 45 minute drive from Ely to EP 84 was turned into 1.5 hours due to construction on Hwy 1 and having to detour through Babbitt, the return trip took 2.5 hours on Saturday due to trees down on the Forest Service road heading south towards 1 from the Snake and Little Isabella entry points - almost ran out of gas to boot. Still had a great time though, and looking forward to our next trip. |
| BearWhoSwims |
07/09/2012 02:03PM boss_angler, Sounds like an adventure...not one a person really wants! Glad you were ok thru it all! Thanks for posting. |
| Minnesotian |
07/09/2012 11:25AMquote gopher2307: "Am I also supposed to post something on global warming?" Gopher it. |
| boss_angler |
07/09/2012 11:19AM This was a pretty wicked storm... The two of us were camped on Fairy Lake via EP23 but decided to take a day-trip up to Beartrap on the morning of Wed 4th. The day was beautiful, warm & very sunny. As we enjoyed the weather and fishing on Beartrap I noticed this cold front moving in quickly from the west. We decided to pull out early and start heading back to Fairy but it was too late. The edge of the front was upon us and quickly moving overhead. The sky started to sprinkle just as we were pulling up to the Thunder/Beartrap portage. By the time we had completed this quick little 5 rod hop the rain turned steady. It was here we realized our rain gear was left behind at camp. We were thoroughly fooled by the morning's beautiful weather. Pushing across Thunder the rain turned into a heavy downpour and lightning was booming to our left, our right... all around. We paddled hard for the portage to Mudhole but the feeling of danger was rising faster than the rain was coming down. We aborted the paddle and pulled into an open campsite (#1884) on Thunder. We turned the canoe upside down with one end elevated by a tree limb and took shelter underneath. The wind was blowing very hard and we could barely see the southern shore across the lake. Then it started to hail... about the size of large peas. The temperature had dropped what felt like 20 degrees, we were soaked, the wind was blowing hard, we had no raingear, and the med-kit we grabbed did not have the thermal blanket (also left at camp in the other med-kit). We put our PFD's back on for warmth as hypothermia was becoming a very real concern. We had about two cups of Gorp between us. Just as we were completing this assessment the sky started to let up some, reverting back to a steady downpour versus a torrential rain. We made a mad dash across the southern portion of Thunder and down the portage trail to Mudhole. Before we could put into Mudhole the wind picked up again and the rain slid back into a torrential downpour. We huddled under the canoe again. Although this time it was only about 15 minutes before the next lull in the storm. We made a mad dash across Mudhole and down the portage to Gull. We continued to 'hop-scotch' our way to Fairy... all the while in steady downpour / torrential rain. As we pulled off of Gun and trudged our way through the mud & ankle deep puddles on the Gun/Fairy portage, I suddenly became very disoriented as I carried our canoe into a pile of brush. "How could I have gotten off the trail??", I thought. There was no way I could turn around with the canoe but I couldn't possibly be in the right spot... it was nearly impassable. Then I noticed my girlfriend ahead through the brush. A quick double-take confirmed I was on the portage trail and realized the way was blocked by a large birch tree. The storm had knocked this down causing a domino affect resulting in two large birch and a couple small pines laying across the portage trail. A good hard push-through and a big step-over and we were soon back onto Fairy. Just in time for the rain to let up to a slow drizzle. I shudder to think we could have been on that trail when the trees came down. We must have missed them by within an hour. Truly an adventurous day-trip to Beartrap.... with 'fireworks' on the 4th of July. |
| inspector13 |
07/09/2012 10:56AM It got so dark at 4pm on July 4th that the motion detector lights turned on at my cabin as I watched a funnel cloud form, then fortunately dissipate. |
| LuvMyBell |
07/09/2012 09:45AMquote kanoes: "quote gopher2307: "Am I also supposed to post something on global warming?" I set up a generic 'Global Warming thread on the Polictical forum for those that just can't let this issue go.....Or think there is more to say that's not already been said above. Enjoy |
| kanoes |
07/08/2012 10:33PMquote gopher2307: "Am I also supposed to post something on global warming?" why not? |
| gopher2307 |
07/08/2012 10:24PM Am I also supposed to post something on global warming? |
| gopher2307 |
07/08/2012 08:42PM I was setting up the tent on Boulder Bay when this storm hit. I got wet... |
| Basspro69 |
07/08/2012 03:49PMquote mooseplums: "Oh yeah...thanks RaggedIm so hurt, who would think that I would start something like guitars :-) p.s. Thanks for setting Plummy Bear straight ragged :-) |
| mooseplums |
07/08/2012 02:14PM Oh yeah...thanks Ragged Sorry Brad, my friend. |
| Ragged |
07/08/2012 09:10AMquote mooseplums: " No No No Mr Plums, this thread was hijacked and baited for argument 5 posts above that post. quote gutmon: " flame me if you must " Gutmon was clearly the first to steer it in that direction, he even went as far as to predict the argument that would ensue. Brad is innocent! |
| mooseplums |
07/08/2012 06:43AMquote Basspro69: "Ok Im not saying Global warming is a fact or not but havent we always had droughts and oppressive heat, and since there have been a few iceages, didnt the earth have to have global warming for them to melt. I think man does impact the environment, but I honestly believe that global warming has more to do with the angle of the earths orbit around the sun over time then what we do here on earth." Ok Brad...LOLOLOL Not saying this global warming banter is ALL your fault.....but here's where it all began..... |
| schweady |
07/07/2012 08:06PM Is every thread from this point forward doomed to this same black hole death? Couldn't this thread rather continue to explore the crazy pairing of Independence Day and bad weather in the BW? From now on, I'm playing it safe: just staying home and lighting firecrackers that I hold between my toes... |
| 520eek |
07/07/2012 04:17PM It's pretty hot down here in the desert!! |
| denik |
07/07/2012 04:14PM Just got out from EP 14 yesterday. Rode out the storm on Shell Lake (north campsite on Con Island). Wicked winds, pea to dime size hail, and lots of rain. No damage on our site, but the south island site had two trees come down & land about 5 inches from the tent. A few trees still down on the Shell/Pauness portage, but that was about it. DeniK |
| Ragged |
07/07/2012 04:11PMquote missmolly: " I'll be honest, I don't get your posts, must be on a differant wave length, a bunch of name dropping, talk of a blue whale and something about Yosemite Sam....  |
| Basspro69 |
07/07/2012 03:41PMquote mooseplums: "Good to see this picture thanks Mocha.quote mocha: "round lake landing, july 4, 2012 |
| missmolly |
07/07/2012 02:13PMquote Ragged: "quote missmolly: " I'm also happy to take lessons from beaverjack because I never know what he's going to say and he's wicked smart and from bwpaddler too 'cause she's soooo sweet, but she's got a blue whale's backbone. I'll have to ask my dad who would be the best teacher. You might know my dad. His name is Sam, but most folks call him Yosemite. |
| Ragged |
07/07/2012 01:35PMquote missmolly: " Take it from whomever you want, the fact you know you need some work is a step in the right direction! ;) |
| LuvMyBell |
07/07/2012 01:27PMquote missmolly: "quote Ragged: "quote missmolly: " I really don't want to get into a pissing contest with anyone. I can't remember telling anyone not to argue in my previous threads. I think I asked that we all try to keep things civil in a previous thread where things were starting to get heated up or had the potential. My definition of argue is 'debate or advocate with civility'. It is perfectly fine to 'argue' as long as you don't get personal. I don't think I once got personal or resorted to name-calling. |
| missmolly |
07/07/2012 12:39PMquote Ragged: "quote missmolly: " He's posted about peace/civility in several other threads. I am willing to take that lesson in tolerance if basspro or AndySG are teaching it. Those guys walk the talk. |
| kanoes |
07/07/2012 12:25PM kansas court decides both views should be taught in school |
| Ragged |
07/07/2012 11:24AMquote missmolly: " Your post makes no sense. Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see LMB tell anyone not to argue. I saw LMB try and drop the subject a few times above only to have someone come along, quote, and stoke the fire, which is completely different and I’m pretty sure you know that. LMB seems to really get you going, I think someone is in need of one of those trendy “lessons in tolerance”. |
| LuvMyBell |
07/07/2012 10:54AMquote missmolly: "quote LuvMyBell: "quote kanoes: dont continue it. just read it and walk away." I haven't changed my mind on the subject but the thread had obviously run it's course. I shouldn't have taken the bait and kept it going. Kanoes pointed that out and I agreed. |
| orion64 |
07/07/2012 10:13AM Back in line with the original intent of this thread.....crud...I forgot what that was now....oh yeah....the storm on the fourth. We paddled in on Saturday 30 June at EP 60...through, Duncan, Rose, Rat and South...paddled out the same route Thursday 6 July. Pretty good lightening show on the 4th up that way...and it brought out the fireflies in force so it was really spectacular. A little wind, but nothing that caused concern. Last year's storm we were on Isabella and it made me much more nervous...but that could be because I just gone done reading about the big blow down. Working on a trip a report with pics...the bottom line is that it was another great trip in the woods! Bob ps. All that I can really prove is real is me. ; ) |
| missmolly |
07/07/2012 08:07AMquote LuvMyBell: "quote kanoes: dont continue it. just read it and walk away." You alternate asserting you couldn't resist arguing with telling folks to not argue. Arguing is okay. Not arguing is fine. Arguing and then telling us to not argue is confusing. |
| WhiteWolf |
07/07/2012 01:21AM are CO2 emissions in decline??? you won't see this on the evening news... CO2 emissions nearing 1990 levels. |
| analyzer |
07/06/2012 10:13PM We were in the blowdown on the 4th in 99, and we were in the bdub on the 4th last year when it was a little touchy for a couple hours. On the canadian border last year, we had about 3 separate t-storms come through every couple hours. The last one was the only one that was severe though. This year we nearly went 4th again, and picked the first week of June instead. Truck problems or not, I'm glad we did. Sorry, but I'm on the side of the fence that the earth will see climate change, with or without man. Just like the middle east has been fighting for 4000 years, and will be fighting long after we're all gone. I marvel at the fact we find a comfortable temp to live in in general. The Sun is 93M miles away, and we need something between 55, and 75 to feel comfortable??? And what -20 to 110 ish to survive? When you consider the range of temperatures in space, it's a miracle we live at all. Man is just a blip on the screen, and soon enough, we will all be gone. There's not much humans can do to change that. Prolong it slightly perhaps, but sooner or later, we're toast. |
| LuvMyBell |
07/06/2012 10:08PMquote kanoes: dont continue it. just read it and walk away." You're right. I just couldn't resist. Sorry. |
| kanoes |
07/06/2012 10:01PMquote LuvMyBell: "quote lundojam: "We came out on the morning of the 4th, made it to Ely Dairy Queen at noon, and were well on our way before MPR's Mike Nichols interview ("when I first asked Phil to do 'Salesman')was interrupted with storm news. We fist-bumped. Last 4th of July we got the sh*t scared out of us on Rose or Bearskin or something by violent, high winds. So, we're glad we missed it, too. dont continue it. just read it and walk away. |
| LuvMyBell |
07/06/2012 09:40PMquote lundojam: "We came out on the morning of the 4th, made it to Ely Dairy Queen at noon, and were well on our way before MPR's Mike Nichols interview ("when I first asked Phil to do 'Salesman')was interrupted with storm news. We fist-bumped. Last 4th of July we got the sh*t scared out of us on Rose or Bearskin or something by violent, high winds. So, we're glad we missed it, too. Here we go again........ If you're going to make a 'drive by' statement like GLOBAL WARMING IS REAL, at least say what you believe causes it so we know which side you come down on. No one questions that the Earth's temperatures are rising. That's easily proved by monitoring the average temperatures and isn't in dispute. The real question is do you believe it's a natural occurring phenomenon, cyclical if you will, or is it man caused? |
| lundojam |
07/06/2012 09:23PM We came out on the morning of the 4th, made it to Ely Dairy Queen at noon, and were well on our way before MPR's Mike Nichols interview ("when I first asked Phil to do 'Salesman')was interrupted with storm news. We fist-bumped. Last 4th of July we got the sh*t scared out of us on Rose or Bearskin or something by violent, high winds. So, we're glad we missed it, too. GLOBAL WARMING IS REAL! :) |
| kanoes |
07/06/2012 09:10PMquote mocha: "round lake landing, july 4, 2012 nice photo! thanks. |
| mooseplums |
07/06/2012 09:04PMquote mocha: "round lake landing, july 4, 2012 They look hot but happy |
| mocha |
07/06/2012 07:18PM round lake landing, july 4, 2012 
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| Basspro69 |
07/06/2012 03:57PM G S P if your out there let us know . |
| mooseplums |
07/06/2012 03:36PMquote Ragged: "quote mooseplums: " Yeah...been there, its a scarey situation |
| Ragged |
07/06/2012 03:31PMquote mooseplums: " Hopefully there were no tree vs tent incidents in the past few days |
| 2K10 |
07/06/2012 03:27PMquote Ragged: "I learned my lesson awhile back on this subject, don’t get into it on here, no minds will be changed. You can’t even be in the middle, you can’t even say you “don’t know”. If you are not 100% on board you are labeled a “denier”, “ignorant”, “retarded” and said to be getting in the way of “progress”. (Those exact words were used recently by members on this very board) Thank you Ragged! I respect everyone on this sites opinion, whether I agree with the views or not. Gets a little frustrating though when a simple thread like this that started about bad weather in the BWCA, has to turn into a battle of opinions/who knows or thinks they know the most about a certain subject. Please save those conversations for an "OT" post. I keep opening this thread hoping to read about the experiences of those who were in the BWCA/Q during the storms, and there hasn't been any mention of that since Bearwhoswims tried to bring it back around by saying "Pretty soon someone should canoe out that was up there on the 4th. Looking forward to a report". So back to the regularly scheduled program, lets hear some more stories about the 4th of July storm (it looks like it's been raining up there all day today as well, geesh, it never ends)! |
| mooseplums |
07/06/2012 03:23PMquote Ragged: "I learned my lesson awhile back on this subject, don’t get into it on here, no minds will be changed. You can’t even be in the middle, you can’t even say you “don’t know”. If you are not 100% on board you are labeled a “denier”, “ignorant”, “retarded” and said to be getting in the way of “progress”. (Those exact words were used recently by members on this very board) Thanks Ragged...OK moving on then? Hope GSP is having a good time on his trip |
| Ragged |
07/06/2012 02:29PM I learned my lesson awhile back on this subject, don’t get into it on here, no minds will be changed. You can’t even be in the middle, you can’t even say you “don’t know”. If you are not 100% on board you are labeled a “denier”, “ignorant”, “retarded” and said to be getting in the way of “progress”. (Those exact words were used recently by members on this very board) The intolerance and hypocrisy is so insufferably rampant. Its really disappointing to find on this site. I’ve come to think of most of the people on this site as society’s “crem della crem”. Nowhere else do I find such a large group of truly GOOD people. Great people with kind hearts are so very rare in this day in age and it does sadden me to see this one issue consistently put people at odds. I really wish this subject would just go away on here, we all know or think we know everything, nobody’s views will change, nothing good will ever come of these threads. Most people on here are already excellent stewards of the earth and there is likely little to no difference in the way the pro’s live vs the opponents. For the most part we all drive cars, we all have electricity in our homes that is derived from fossil fuels and we all agree that taking care of the earth is good idea, I wish it would just end there. |
| arctic |
07/06/2012 02:06PM When we talk about "settled science", there is no such thing. This isn't religion where you pick and choose from the countless varieties out there and hope for the best, because there is no way to prove or disprove many assumptions and concepts presented as "facts". Science is based on observation, hypotheses, and testing (and retesting) to develop theories to understand the natural world. In other words: identifying real facts. We know the causes of most of the natural variations in our long-term climate (ice-ages, etc), and have a very good idea what the atmosphere and climate was like when CO2 levels were far higher than today (millions of years before man appeared on the scene). We also know that increased amounts of heat trapping gases warm the climate. The job of climate deniers (often posing as scientists) is to do actual research on climate change, instead of bashing the results of others. Start with the hypothesis that increasing CO2 and methane in the atmosphere does not warm the atmosphere and test that hypothesis. |
| LuvMyBell |
07/06/2012 11:30AMquote gutmon: "Done here. Hope all who think climate change is a hoax are right..." Gutmon, please don't take my comments as a personal attack on you. You obviously care a lot about this issue as do I. One thing I think we can all agree on is that Man can and has had a detrimental impact on the environment. I just haven't been convinced that our impacts can cause permanent damage to the Earth and change weather patterns. |
| gutmon |
07/06/2012 11:25AM Done here. Hope all who think climate change is a hoax are right... |
| LuvMyBell |
07/06/2012 11:19AMquote gutmon: "It's one thing to say I don't know, quite another to state that a world-wide government conspiricy is at work." So what would you call the recent revelations that several government sponsored scientists got caught cooking the books? That didn't help the cause. Climategate and Climategate II is what I think they were called. |
| gutmon |
07/06/2012 11:16AM It's one thing to say I don't know, quite another to state that a world-wide government conspiracy is at work. |
| LuvMyBell |
07/06/2012 11:01AMquote gutmon: "quote GeoFisher: "wow"quote gutmon: "I guess my question is, is there ever a point where deniers might be able to say, "Yeah, maybe something is going on here."?" Gutmon, why are you surprised by this answer? The way you phrased your question with the word 'deniers' showed your bias and could only raise a defensive reply by those who take an opposite position on this issue. To get a thoughtful,respectful answer you must ask a thoughtful, respectful question. The topic of global warming is not settled science. Respected scientists on both sides of the issue are still figuring it out. One thing is for sure, none of us alive today will ever know the answer because this type of phenomenon can only be measured in the millions of years. |
| gutmon |
07/06/2012 10:53AMquote GeoFisher: "wowquote gutmon: "I guess my question is, is there ever a point where deniers might be able to say, "Yeah, maybe something is going on here."?" |
| Basspro69 |
07/06/2012 10:38AMquote Minnesotian: "Thank you very much for this post, very well said and good information to support it. If this is the case what can we do as individuals to help in this regard, I love the Earth and would like to do my part in preserving it . p.s. Im always open to being convinced one way or another, and your information is very compelling. Im willing to be open to new evidence on almost any subject other than whether God exists, because I already know the answer to that one :-)quote Basspro69: "quote gutmon: "I guess my question is, is there ever a point where deniers might be able to say, "Yeah, maybe something is going on here."?"Yes there is a point, Like I said man does have an impact on the environment that point is not in doubt, but what im wondering is, has there been global warming in the past that had nothing to do with man, the proponents for global warming always gloss over this fact.p.s. Id like to add that im an independent voter and I have absolutely no adgenda in this at all, can man affect the globe, yes is my answer, is man affecting the global temperature, no is my answer. I may be wrong but that is my opinion ." |
| GeoFisher |
07/06/2012 10:27AMquote gutmon: "I guess my question is, is there ever a point where deniers might be able to say, "Yeah, maybe something is going on here."?" No. We are arrogant to think we know anything about it. We make a ton of assumptions and then spend trillions of dollars trying to prove it.....Not to mention governments around the world fund scientists to say what gubments want them to say. |
| GeoFisher |
07/06/2012 10:26AMquote Basspro69: "Ok Im not saying Global warming is a fact or not but havent we always had droughts and oppressive heat, and since there have been a few iceages, didnt the earth have to have global warming for them to melt. I think man does impact the environment, but I honestly believe that global warming has more to do with the angle of the earths orbit around the sun over time then what we do here on earth." Yes. |
| BearWhoSwims |
07/06/2012 10:17AM Pretty soon someone should canoe out that was up there on the 4th. Looking forward to a report. |
| mooseplums |
07/06/2012 09:40AMquote Minnesotian: "quote Basspro69: "quote gutmon: "I guess my question is, is there ever a point where deniers might be able to say, "Yeah, maybe something is going on here."?"Yes there is a point, Like I said man does have an impact on the environment that point is not in doubt, but what im wondering is, has there been global warming in the past that had nothing to do with man, the proponents for global warming always gloss over this fact.p.s. Id like to add that im an independent voter and I have absolutely no adgenda in this at all, can man affect the globe, yes is my answer, is man affecting the global temperature, no is my answer. I may be wrong but that is my opinion ." I like this post...thoughtful and well said!..now lets get on with life shall we? that said, I bet GSP is getting wet :) |
| Savage Voyageur |
07/06/2012 09:00AMquote missmolly: "quote Savage Voyageur: "No flaming here, I'm not drinking that koolaid. " Ok I will rephrase, no flaming here, I respect Gutmons post. That is his opinion and not mine. |
| Minnesotian |
07/06/2012 08:23AMquote Basspro69: "quote gutmon: "I guess my question is, is there ever a point where deniers might be able to say, "Yeah, maybe something is going on here."?"Yes there is a point, Like I said man does have an impact on the environment that point is not in doubt, but what im wondering is, has there been global warming in the past that had nothing to do with man, the proponents for global warming always gloss over this fact.p.s. Id like to add that im an independent voter and I have absolutely no adgenda in this at all, can man affect the globe, yes is my answer, is man affecting the global temperature, no is my answer. I may be wrong but that is my opinion ." Basspro, thank you for being very forthright and respectable with your views. I aim to reply in kind. Global warming has been around since the beginning of time. The earth warms up, the earth cools down. That is nothing new. What is new, and is making lots of people saying that this is a human influenced global warming is the speed at which the earth is warming up. They "estimate that when ice ages have ended in the past, it has taken about 5,000 years for the planet to warm between 4 and 7 degrees Celsius. The warming of the past century—0.7 degrees Celsius—is roughly eight times faster than the ice-age-recovery warming on average" . Earth Observatory NASA Let me say that again, the speed at which the earth is warming up is unprecedented. Living organisms cannot adapt to that rapid increase in temperature change. In the last 650,000 years, there have been 7 ice ages. Not once in those 7 advances and retreats has the level of CO2 been above a certain line. We have blasted by that line in the last 50 years. NASA Climate Change Evidence The amount of arctic sea ice that has melted in the last 5 years has been staggering. It is predicted that the Arctic ocean will be completely ice free for a whole summer within 30 years. This has never happened before. Water can hold heat much better then ice. The more water that is exposed, the warmer the oceans will become. Arctic Sea Ice News and Analysis And could it be that the sun is getting warmer? "Studies show that solar variability has played a role in past climate changes. For example, a decrease in solar activity is thought to have triggered the Little Ice Age between approximately 1650 and 1850, when Greenland was largely cut off by ice from 1410 to the 1720s and glaciers advanced in the Alps". However, "If the warming were caused by a more active sun, then scientists would expect to see warmer temperatures in all layers of the atmosphere. Instead, they have observed a cooling in the upper atmosphere, and a warming at the surface and in the lower parts of the atmosphere. That's because greenhouse gasses are trapping heat in the lower atmosphere." NASA Finally: Scientific American: Seven Answers I believe (if you can't already tell) that climate change is upon us. It will be the "thing" that will most affect us from here on out. At this point in my belief, I will not debate this issue because I am done debating. Does that give the impression that I am sticking my fingers in my ears and yelling neh, neh, neh, neh? Yep, and I can live with that. I will just show people the numbers. And ya, I know, some people will throw numbers back at me that, in their opinion, disproves climate change. That is their right. But I will not debate them. I refuse. I am tired for debating and arguing if climate change exists. That is for more passionate and energetic people. Instead, I will live my life with the belief that humans are exacerbating climate change and I will do my part, somehow, in minimizing my impact and cause of climate change. Because that is all I can do. This post is not an attack on you Basspro, or anyone else who disagrees with my thinking. I just want to make that clear. I am just stating my belief, evidence for that belief, and some of the sources I rely on. Thank you. |
| missmolly |
07/06/2012 07:57AMquote Divainthewild: "quote missmolly: "quote Savage Voyageur: "No flaming here, I'm not drinking that koolaid. " You will have diabetes if you please, you will have diabetes if you don't please! |
| Basspro69 |
07/06/2012 07:51AMquote Divainthewild: "Gives you green poop :-)quote missmolly: "quote Savage Voyageur: "No flaming here, I'm not drinking that koolaid. " |
| tumblehome |
07/06/2012 07:49AM "Technology advances like 'clean coal' means we shouldn't have to kill every manufacturing industry and send those jobs overseas." As long as you understand that clean coal simply means they pump the carbon dioxide from the coal emissions into the earth. That's what "clean coal" is. It's not magic coal. It's coal. It's like our gas station up here uses "blue Planet" gasoline. Oh, it must be good for the earth. |
| Basspro69 |
07/06/2012 07:43AMquote gutmon: "I guess my question is, is there ever a point where deniers might be able to say, "Yeah, maybe something is going on here."?"Yes there is a point, Like I said man does have an impact on the environment that point is not in doubt, but what im wondering is, has there been global warming in the past that had nothing to do with man, the proponents for global warming always gloss over this fact.p.s. Id like to add that im an independent voter and I have absolutely no adgenda in this at all, can man affect the globe, yes is my answer, is man affecting the global temperature, no is my answer. I may be wrong but that is my opinion . |
| Divainthewild |
07/06/2012 01:55AMquote missmolly: "quote Savage Voyageur: "No flaming here, I'm not drinking that koolaid. " Nothing wrong with "koolaid" - I highly suggest the grape flavor |
| nojobro |
07/05/2012 10:41PM Back to the original post...check out this video |
| LuvMyBell |
07/05/2012 07:26PMquote gutmon: "quote LuvMyBell: "quote gutmon: "I guess my question is, is there ever a point where deniers might be able to say, "Yeah, maybe something is going on here."" In the strictest sense I would have to say 'no'. It would be arrogant to say that Man can impact the weather. That's 100% nature in my opinion. Can Man impact the environment, I think I already said yes to that. |
| gutmon |
07/05/2012 04:39PMquote LuvMyBell: "quote gutmon: "I guess my question is, is there ever a point where deniers might be able to say, "Yeah, maybe something is going on here."" so I should take that as a "no" to my question? |
| LuvMyBell |
07/05/2012 04:04PMquote gutmon: "I guess my question is, is there ever a point where deniers might be able to say, "Yeah, maybe something is going on here."" Something is going on here....It's called Mother Nature. The Earth has gone through these cycles of hot and cold for millions of years. Can Man impact the planet? Absolutely. But I think the impact has been exaggerated. No one wants to go back to the days of dumping sewage in our waterways or polluting the air from billowing smokestacks. Technology advances like 'clean coal' means we shouldn't have to kill every manufacturing industry and send those jobs overseas. I'll just leave it at that. I'm getting OT. I hope everyone impacted by the storms is safe and their power gets restored quickly. |
| gutmon |
07/05/2012 03:48PM I guess my question is, is there ever a point where deniers might be able to say, "Yeah, maybe something is going on here."? |
| Basspro69 |
07/05/2012 03:29PM Ok Im not saying Global warming is a fact or not but havent we always had droughts and oppressive heat, and since there have been a few iceages, didnt the earth have to have global warming for them to melt. I think man does impact the environment, but I honestly believe that global warming has more to do with the angle of the earths orbit around the sun over time then what we do here on earth. |
| Ho Ho |
07/05/2012 02:16PM Power is still out for most of us in the Ely hinterlands (not in town). 2000 Lake Country Power customers without power in the Ely area. That's on top of thousands more without power over by Grand Rapids since Monday, which means crews are tied up there and can't be dispatched here as quickly as they otherwise would be. I'm glad I was not canoeing on a lake when it hit yesterday. |
| missmolly |
07/05/2012 12:15PMquote Savage Voyageur: "No flaming here, I'm not drinking that koolaid. " Alas, employing a pejorative like "koolaid" is flaming. |
| Savage Voyageur |
07/05/2012 12:01PM No flaming here, I'm not drinking that koolaid. |
| bojibob |
07/05/2012 11:47AMquote gutmon: " flame me if you must " 
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| gutmon |
07/05/2012 11:36AM flame me if you must |
| kabloona |
07/05/2012 11:32AMquote Rapid Runner: "glad you got out Kabloona! oh i bet the skeeters were tearing things up!" Thanks, Yup the skeeters were brutal! I really love the woods, but man did my bed feel good last night! |
| Rapid Runner |
07/05/2012 11:15AM glad you got out Kabloona! oh i bet the skeeters were tearing things up! |
| kabloona |
07/05/2012 10:33AM 99' Blow down, been there done that. Pagami creek fire, been there done that. And yesterday storm , been there done that. Yesterday my wife and I rode the wheeler out of Babbitt into the Superior National Forest. 27 miles from the pick up we were in the teeth of the storm. Trees were being blasted by lightning, Trees were being snapped off like match sticks, and crazy wind! and heavy rain. Well after the storm blew over we were trapped because of trees down on all the roads and trails. It took us 8 hrs to go three miles, hacking our way over under and through the trees. This is why I carry a full size razor sharp axe with me ALWAYS! Did I mention the skeeters when we were hacking our way out? Would I do it again? hell yes! |
| wildernessfan2 |
07/04/2012 10:06PM Amazing nasty weather pattern for MN..Hopefully the ring of fire breaks for awhile at least..it's so early yet..a lot of summer left. |
| Ho Ho |
07/04/2012 08:59PM The winds during the second storm were pretty intense for a bit, but there is no tree damage right around us. I was home already when that front hit, though, so I can't say about anywhere else outside the immediate vicinity. My guess is that some trees went down somewhere, but this was not a "blowdown" event. |
| Grandma L |
07/04/2012 08:36PM Ho HO, Thanks for the update. Hope your power is back on and all is well. Did you see much tree damage? |
| Ho Ho |
07/04/2012 06:47PM Two waves of severe thunderstorms went through Ely within an hour of each other this afternoon - first a warm front heading north into Canada, which mostly hit the western BWCA from the reports I saw, and then a cool front heading east toward Lake Superior, which turned out to be the more intense storm where we are (Echo Trail) and looks like it pretty much hit the entire BWCA. We lost power in the second wave of storms, as did hundreds of others around Ely. (But with the emergency generator and a working DSL connection - I'm still on the Web!). This is the third time losing power this week, so you can tell there's been a fair amount of severe weather. But even though today's storms were pretty rough, my sense is that they are several magnitudes less intense then the 1999 derecho. PS - The first front hit Ely almost exactly when the parade ended - good timing! But I had driven into town with the windows out of the Jeep, they were sitting back in the garage. It was quite an adventure driving home up the Echo Trail in an open Wrangler during a torrential downpour with lightning strikes all around. Fortunately I missed the hail . . . |
| nojobro |
07/04/2012 06:32PM The Piragis Facebook page has a wild picture of clouds over Ely. If you have FB, check it out. |
| pswith5 |
07/04/2012 06:06PM One possible bright side: some of that area won't have the usual traffic due to the burn!! |
| bojibob |
07/04/2012 05:38PM The Moose Lake Cam got knocked out at 2:47:08 PM and it looked pretty dark and ugly  Moose Lake Cam |
| mocha |
07/04/2012 05:34PM lightning strike fire info bad storm coming they aren't kidding, either! we had marble size hail, and torrential rain for the past 2 hours (just the rain). hasn't cooled things off much, though. rain is good. |
| nctry |
07/04/2012 04:53PM Our pagers went off earlier when the storms rolled across Itasca county. Luckily they stayed north... for us anyway. |
| BearWhoSwims |
07/04/2012 03:57PM radar does look rough. Base velocity shows some areas that look like 70+ mph |
| Divainthewild |
07/04/2012 03:52PM I know I've been watching the radar like a hawk. It looks as though it is losing some strength and intensity....I'm still holding my breath. |
| gutmon |
07/04/2012 03:52PM Looks nasty on radar. |
| BearWhoSwims |
07/04/2012 03:33PM So it was 1999 the big one moved thru the bwcaw. Looks like a bow echo moving towards the area again on this 4th. Hope everyone stays safe! AT 325 PM CDT...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR INDICATED A LINE OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS CAPABLE OF PRODUCING DESTRUCTIVE WINDS IN EXCESS OF 80 MPH. THESE STORMS WERE LOCATED ALONG A LINE EXTENDING FROM 15 MILES NORTHWEST OF BASSWOOD LAKE TO 7 MILES WEST OF BASSWOOD LAKE TO SILVER RAPIDS TO 5 MILES SOUTHEAST OF BABBITT TO 7 MILES SOUTH OF HOYT LAKES...MOVING EAST AT 55 MPH. SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS WILL BE NEAR... BALD EAGLE LAKE...GABBRO LAKE...SEVEN BEAVER LAKE AND FAIRBANKS AROUND 335 PM. LAKE THREE...LAKE TWO...SNOWBANK LAKE AND GREENWOOD LAKE AROUND 340 PM. DISAPPOINTMENT LAKE AND ENSIGN LAKE AROUND 345 PM. ISABELLA LAKE...HUDSON LAKE...ALICE LAKE AND THOMAS LAKE AROUND 350 PM. |
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