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 Boundary Waters Quetico Forum Listening Point - General Discussion LNT Reply
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| Author | Message Text |
| Greenman |
07/04/2012 09:40AM #5 My first trip into the wilderness, I cut a live twig from a bush to use as a marshmallow roasting tool. I figured that since it was "green" it wouldn't burn. I've had 30 years of sleepless nights ever since. (Wow, confession is good for the soul) |
| bowfiddler |
07/04/2012 07:41AMquote fitgers1: "...the pretty colored marks from aluminum, royalex, fiberglass and kevlar on the rocks...are everywhere and make it very evident that people have been there before me..." So does this still qualify as wilderness? …Oh! Sorry!! Wrong thread…8^o #1 - On my first trip, I brilliantly fashioned an anchor using a large rock tied to a rope. I let the rock down and watched, as the rope slipped off the thwart and followed the rock to the bottom of the crystal clear waters. Mortified, I stared at the nylon snake scarring the pristine depths. I contemplated diving for it, but since it was 20ft down in ice cold waters, all I could do was listen to it snickering at me. That was 30 years ago, and I think about it often to this day. When I got home, I reread the chapter on knot tying. |
| tonyyarusso |
07/03/2012 10:33PM I've left some trace in the form of lures caught on weeds at the bottom of lakes... Picked up a little gizmo last year that should help reduce that though. |
| Trix |
07/03/2012 05:30PMquote Divainthewild: "OK - I'll admit it. I let my grandson feed the Bluegills the left over macaroni and cheese. He spent hours trying to bait the swarms of very hungry fish with the noodles. He almost caught one. He still talks about that day. That's OK, girlfriend, we left a Big Pile of wood at our campsite last fall. Therefore that offsets hiding the wood pile. :) (Of course, there was a total fire ban after we got out, but we did not know that at the time.) Someone eventually was able to use it. |
| mooseplums |
07/02/2012 09:16PMquote Basspro69: "Whenever my buddie has sauerkraut with anything, he breaks at least 2 of the Leave No Trace rules and violates the ozone also . " hey Brad...that's my gig!!! |
| gutmon |
07/02/2012 06:42PM Does this mean I shouldn't be using portage wheels as fire starters? |
| izzy |
07/02/2012 06:22PM OK - I peed next to a tree about 4,500,001 times. I got caught the last pee. |
| awbrown |
07/02/2012 05:20PMquote Basspro69: "Whenever my buddie has sauerkraut with anything, he breaks at least 2 of the Leave No Trace rules and violates the ozone also . " Sauerkraut should be illegal on wilderness trips! Years ago, my brother kicked me out of the tent for the night for this very infraction.......and to be honest, I don't blame him. Sauerkraut is the origin of swamp gas!! |
| LuvMyBell |
07/02/2012 04:12PMquote Basspro69: "Whenever my buddie has sauerkraut with anything, he breaks at least 2 of the Leave No Trace rules and violates the ozone also . " Any kind of beans usually does it for my group. Blazing Saddles anyone? Cheapest entertainment with the least amount of effort on the part of those being entertained. Not so much for the entertainer. |
| Basspro69 |
07/02/2012 03:53PM Whenever my buddie has sauerkraut with anything, he breaks at least 2 of the Leave No Trace rules and violates the ozone also . |
| fitgers1 |
07/02/2012 03:26PM I don't think I have ever violated any of these yet except for leaving tent and footprint prints as well as aluminum scratches on rocks. I would like to say 'should those be counted" but actually thinking of all the pretty colored marks from aluminum, royalex, fiberglass and kevlar on the rocks it should be. Those marks on the rocks are everywhere and make it very evident that people have been there before me. Just as someone will know I was there before they were. If I ever run across a nice moose shed I am going to knowingly and happily violate #4. Ok, ok, ok. #3 to. I may or may not have burned a little paper in the fire. But so was the guy in the campsite next to me. |
| Savage Voyageur |
07/02/2012 03:15PM #3 burning paper sometimes. But we call it firestarter material. |
| AndySG |
07/02/2012 03:08PMquote nofish: "I'm guilty of violating #6, respect wildlife. LOL! Hilarious nofish. |
| Divainthewild |
07/02/2012 03:05PM OK - I'll admit it. I let my grandson feed the Bluegills the left over macaroni and cheese. He spent hours trying to bait the swarms of very hungry fish with the noodles. He almost caught one. He still talks about that day. Also....the big long gashes in the portage on EP 43 and 14 (locations withheld) - that was my wipe outs with the canoe. I did try to fix it but I definitely left a trace. And....I hid a pile of wood once. I knew I would be returning in a few weeks and figured I should have a startin' pile for our first day. I found a nice sunny spot and hid it. ::hangs head in shame:: |
| mooseplums |
07/02/2012 02:46PM Okay! I admit it! I BURN PAPER! :P But really...burning paper leaves no trace..just ash |
| HowardSprague |
07/02/2012 02:46PM I agree. In this case, the "trip leader" was apparently the one who had taught all the others. I assumed he knew all this stuff. (speaking of safety - i was the only one of seven who even put on a PFD the whole trip) |
| hobbydog |
07/02/2012 02:39PMquote HowardSprague: "Not sure what numbers it falls into, and I didn't do it myself, but I do feel some sense of guilt...went on a trip with a different group - a couple newbies (related to the others) plus 4 guys who were an existing "core group" who had done many trips before, and I was invited along. In all the pre-planning and route discussion, some stuff was never discussed because, to me at least, it's so second nature it never occurred to talk about it ahead of time. The best time to have that discussion is before you go. Every permit has a trip leader....it should be his responsibility to not only go over the LNT rules but also group rules, safety and group responsibilities. This is even more critical any time new members are coming along. I learned this lesson the hard way too. :-) |
| Ingvald |
07/02/2012 02:38PM #3 guilty, I burn some paper waste. #5 guilty in that I have more and bigger campfires than what is minimally necessary. |
| Jeriatric |
07/02/2012 02:27PM I leave sawdust on the ground which probably does not violate LNT, technically. However, a later visitor would recognize that a person had been there earlier. More to the point, I sometimes lose track of short lengths of monofilament. |
| LuvMyBell |
07/02/2012 01:56PMquote schweady: "#3: Sometimes I will burn paper. #3 - GUILTY #4 - GUILTY #6 - NOT GUILTY - I like to see them (out on the lake) and listen to them, especially at night, but I would never expend any effort to paddle closer to them for a closer look. |
| kayakrookie1 |
07/02/2012 01:44PM I have to admit, there is likely some paper garbage in about every fire I make. |
| HowardSprague |
07/02/2012 01:24PM Not sure what numbers it falls into, and I didn't do it myself, but I do feel some sense of guilt...went on a trip with a different group - a couple newbies (related to the others) plus 4 guys who were an existing "core group" who had done many trips before, and I was invited along. In all the pre-planning and route discussion, some stuff was never discussed because, to me at least, it's so second nature it never occurred to talk about it ahead of time. First night, a couple guys volunteer to do dishes. They grab the stuff and next thing, they are headed TOWARD the lake. Yeah. Washing dishes in the lake. Later I mentioned it to one guy, who I was closest to & who invited me, that I'd never seen a group do dishes in the lake before, that it's always done away from shore. "That's how we've always done it". Now what? Do I become Mister Trip Chaperone and start reciting all the rules to everyone? No, I didn't. I'd mentioned it to one guy and if he passed it on so be it. The time to discuss it, in retrospect, was before the trip. Same with bathing in the lake. Yeah, bathing in the lake. I didn't go correcting them. By example,, I did my own bathing out in the woods, ninety feet from shore, with my collapsible bucket that would fall over :). I should have volunteered to do the dishes every night - my way, the right way. When some guys cleaned fish, I volunteered to take the remains away somewhere for the critters, away from camp - I was afraid otherwise, they'd dump the stuff right there. Some extra food pack stuff wound up incinerated as well. If I'd done everything I should have, in the name of LNT and the rules, I'd have been that guy that nobody wants to have around, ruining everyone's fun, probably earning a nickname like "Barney Fife" or something. I see some of these guys at family gatherings, and I'm sure the day will come when I'll have a good opportunity to bring it up in the right way (whatever that might be). So yeah, guilty by association. And it bugs me. Lessons learned. |
| schweady |
07/02/2012 01:22PM #3: Sometimes I will burn paper. #4: Interesting rocks seem to find their way into my pack. #6: I will often try to paddle over just a little closer to that loon. |
| LuvMyBell |
07/02/2012 01:07PM LNT (Leave No Trace) is a fine set of principals but most are pretty vague and subject to interpretation. For instance take #7 - Be Considerate of Other Visitors. I'm willing to bet if you were to ask 10 people what that meant, you'd get 10 different answers. It's up to all of us to follow whatever moral compass we have chosen for ourselves whenever something is not specifically spelled out in rules, regulations or laws. Forums such as this make that a little easier because of the wealth of knowledge and experience available here. Don't be afraid to ask questions or search the archives. It's very rare that a 'newbie' is laughed at or ridiculed when asking a question that the veterans of this site have seen a hundred times or more. Sadly though it sometimes happens. There will always be the 5%, the class clowns, the rotten apple or just plain mean folks out there. Kudos to those who are patient and helpful. Thankfully we can always ignore the responses of those who are less than helpful. |
| DayDreamin |
07/02/2012 12:55PM I am perfect. I don't violate =P |
| Ragged |
07/02/2012 12:39PM I have an ATV stashed up in the woods north of Gaskin, has taken me a few years to get it in piece by piece, but its finally all together, should make getting the big trees into camp easier, tim-bar!! Just kidding, I don’t know that I’ve ever knowingly left a trace, I have yet to lose something, a member in my group did leave a nice bait cast setup at a campsite last year, but my guess is that trace was soon rectified. lol |
| nofish |
07/02/2012 12:19PM I'm guilty of violating #6, respect wildlife. Although I'm not sure if tossing sticks at squirrels trying to mess with my packs is disrespectful or not. I suppose I could have sent over some sort of official treaty offer outlining my demands and listing out the potential repercussions if they did not abide by my request to leave the packs alone. I sort of just jumped right to stick throwing and for that I am truly sorry. Next time I'll sit down with the offending parties and try to talk it over first, maybe it was all just a big misunderstanding. Maybe they thought it was their pack and they were just trying to get it out of my way. Either way, I promise to do better and to be more respectful of all varmints in my site. |
| nojobro |
07/02/2012 12:06PM LNT ethics as per Wikipedia I'm sorry to say that my group has trouble with the being quiet aspect of #7. Our youngest child is very exuberant, and frankly sometimes the joy of being out there makes me want to sing and shout. So, you have my apology for that, and we hope to do better in the future. (but the dog only barks if he trees a squirrel...three single barks on our last trip, that's it.) Sometimes conditions can be in our favor: wind can help hide noises, as can things like rushing water. We thought we were alone on a small lake (Splash) and were just finishing our trip and we'd just been through a slightly harrowing paddle in the wind and were being silly and loud. Turns out we weren't alone. I apologized to the couple, and their response was, "What? We can't hear you over the sound of the rapids." Bonus. :) |
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