I'm just about to look at a boat advertised as a Nighthawk. I'm wondering about this "permanent" pedestal seat. Can it, in fact, be removed if I wanted to switch the boat to having a cane seat?
I grew up paddling in an old wood & canvas Penn Yan with kneeling thwarts, only. I like a high seat that can be used mostly for kneeling with an occasional chance to stretch the legs on a calm lake.
I think I might have paddled a ww boat with a pedestal, once, but I'm not sure that this is something I want to commit to...
Advice from the Blackhawk crowd?
Thanks in advance!
TheBoB is spot on about the seating differences of the Nighthawk (Pedestal) and the Fishhawk (Cane Seat). Bob Brown designed this hull for Phil Sigelkow. I have the original forms that Bob made the plug from. I owned a Fishhawk and a Kittyhawk and considered selling them when Phil was still in business. The Kittyhawk I owned was a 12 footer that had a long fixed pedestal seat. My kids enjoyed the freedom they had in the Kittyhawk. They als o tandem paddled the Fishhawk in the BWCA when they were young.
thanks BOB, this boat came with a cane seat hung about an inch below the gunwales. but at 12 ft and 24 inches it was a little unsettling for me so i paddle it from a seat on the bottom. it is quite fast for its length. i will post pictures someday for you to see.
If it's 12 feet long; it's probably NOT a Nighthawk.
A Nighthawk is slightly longer than 13 feet.
In several old buyer's guides from Canoe magazine and Canoe & Kayak magazine I have seen the Nighthawk's length listed at 13'1" 13'2" 13'3".
You seldom see any spec. information about Nighthawks in old Blackhawk brochures.
The Nighthawk typically has a pedestal in it. It might be a removable pedestal, but more often than not it's a pedestal that is permanently mounted in the bildge; actually a part of the canoe.
A Fishhawk, for all pratical purposes is the same hull design as the Nighthawk, but has a wood/cane seat, as opposed to a pedestal.
I currently own 6 Blackhawks; one of which I'm sure is a Nighthawk.
Mine has a permanently mounted pedestal. I also have a brand new/never used example of one of the removable pedestals.
If you would like to see several photos of a Nighthawk, to compare to your canoe; check out my photo journal.
I have a Starship. Not well versed on Blackhawks but till you get someone posting who is...... here is a link to bwca thread on Blackhawks.
I have a friend who is a Blackhawk collector, I'll e-mail him for you. TW
I bought a canoe in october that was listed as a blackhawk nighthawk canoe but from what i can find it may be a kitty hawk instead. hopefully someone can help me with this. it is 12 ft long and 24 inches wide. any info would be appreciated.